Chiefs Cassel VS Orton

RustShack · 11-23-2011, 08:58 PM

Orton in his two years in our offense-

62.1% 3,802 yards 21 TD 12 INT 86.8 Rating 7.0 YPA
58.8% 3,653 yards 20 TD 9 INT 87.5 Rating 7.3 YPA

Cassel those same last two years in the same system with better cast-

55.0% 2,924 yards 16 TD 16 INT 69.9 Rating 5.93 YPA
58.2% 3,116 yards 27 TD 7 INT 93.0 Rating 6.92 YPA

**notorious** · 11-23-2011, 09:01 PM

Orton threw the ball downfield a lot at Denver.

If we continue to throw a lot of 3-5 outs and swing passes, Haley and Muir need to get the **** out of KC.

RustShack · 11-23-2011, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Orton threw the ball downfield a lot at Denver.

If we continue to throw a lot of 3-5 outs and swing passes, Haley and Muir need to get the **** out of KC.

I bet Haley is loving the idea of finally having a QB that can throw deep to his boys Bowe, Baldwin, and Breaston.

Simply Red · 11-23-2011, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Orton threw the ball downfield a lot at Denver.

If we continue to throw a lot of 3-5 outs and swing passes, Haley and Muir need to get the **** out of KC.

**** yes they do.

FAX · 11-23-2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Orton threw the ball downfield a lot at Denver.

If we continue to throw a lot of 3-5 outs and swing passes, Haley and Muir need to get the **** out of KC.

Assuming that Orton gets any playing time and can grok the playbook and we stay with the dinky dunky, I totally agree.

If we have a quarterback who can fling it, I think we'll fling it. Lord knows we have the receivers for it.

FAX

RustShack · 11-23-2011, 09:29 PM

I wonder exactly how similar McDouches offense is to ours.. They have the same original base, but obviously coaches add their own tweaks to it. If theres a lot of the same terminology, he could step in pretty soon and start.

bricks · 11-23-2011, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Orton threw the ball downfield a lot at Denver.

If we continue to throw a lot of 3-5 outs and swing passes, Haley and Muir need to get the **** out of KC.

Oh I still think they are going to go with a short passing game.

Imo, it all comes down to the Offensive line.

I've seen this time after time this season where the QB drops back deep in the pocket and doesn't even have time to survey the field. Or sometimes even set his feet.

Even though Im not a fan of the short passing game, I will admit, I don't think the Chiefs have the Offensive line to have downfield passing game. It's impossible to have a downfield passing game when your line can't hold up and block for sh*t.

In that sense, I can kinda understand the short passing game at times. And I can kinda understand why they shy away from the downfield passing game. This is no intent to stick up for Haley and Muir. Im just pinpointing that they shouldn't be the only ones to blame. The Oline sucks bro.

**notorious** · 11-23-2011, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bricks

Oh I still think they are going to go with a short passing game.

Imo, it all comes down to the Offensive line.

I've seen this time after time this season where the QB drops back deep in the pocket and doesn't even have time to survey the field. Or sometimes even set his feet.

Even though Im not a fan of the short passing game, I will admit, I don't think the Chiefs have the Offensive line to have downfield passing game. It's impossible to have a downfield passing game when your line can't hold up and block for sh*t.

In that sense, I can kinda understand the short passing game at times. And I can kinda understand why they shy away from the downfield passing game. This is no intent to stick up for Haley and Muir. Im just pinpointing that they shouldn't be the only ones to blame. The Oline sucks bro.

If we are a legitimate threat to beat the defense deep, the offensive line will magically improve. No more stacking the box or bringing blitzes.

I don't think Orton can do it, but he has a lot more capability than Cassel.

Epic Fail 007 · 11-23-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

I bet Haley is loving the idea of finally having a QB that can throw deep to his boys Bowe, Baldwin, and Breaston.

yes he dose,bet he feels like a kid on christmas morning!

chiefzilla1501 · 11-23-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

If we are a legitimate threat to beat the defense deep, the offensive line will magically improve. No more stacking the box or bringing blitzes.

I don't think Orton can do it, but he has a lot more capability than Cassel.

Exactly.

Cassel had a ton of open deep passes. He just threw the ball 15 yards away from the receiver.

And Palko had a lot of time to throw the ball. This offensive line isn't bad. Again, they look horrendous because Cassel never, ever, ever adjusts his blockers to stop the blitz. Palko did and it made a huge difference.

**Shogun** · 11-23-2011, 09:51 PM

Ive definitely seen Orton throw to an open man that wasnt his #1 reciever 15 yards down the field.

Cassel, not so much

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-23-2011, 10:07 PM

Same offense? Better surrounding cast?

#1) Not the same offense. Comparable his numbers in 2008 in New England when he actually had the same offense.

#2) In 2009, the Chiefs had far inferior talent. JC wasn't starting most of the year, they had LJ. The offensive line sucked. And, the Broncos had Marshall and Royal at WR. Not even close. Oh, and Haley was offensive coordinator.

McDaniels made Cassel and Orton both look good. But, McDaniels isn't coming with Orton, so we get the Orton of the other three years... the one that has a passer rating around 76.

Hammock Parties · 11-23-2011, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Shogun

Ive definitely seen Orton throw to an open man that wasnt his #1 reciever 15 yards down the field.

Cassel, not so much

DOESN'T MATTER!!!

HARRY POTTER DESTROYED ALL OF JOSH MCDANIELS HORCRUXES!

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-23-2011, 10:08 PM

Man, with as great as Orton is, and as good of talent as you all think we have.... the Chiefs are going to the Super Bowl.... we just need to get in the playoffs somehow.

SenselessChiefsFan · 11-23-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Exactly.

Cassel had a ton of open deep passes. He just threw the ball 15 yards away from the receiver.

And Palko had a lot of time to throw the ball. This offensive line isn't bad. Again, they look horrendous because Cassel never, ever, ever adjusts his blockers to stop the blitz. Palko did and it made a huge difference.

Pats...32nd defense... and many injuries in secondary. Amazing that the offense looked better against them.

11-23-2011, 08:58 PM
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11-23-2011, 09:29 PM	#6
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11-23-2011, 10:07 PM	#12
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Same offense? Better surrounding cast? #1) Not the same offense. Comparable his numbers in 2008 in New England when he actually had the same offense. #2) In 2009, the Chiefs had far inferior talent. JC wasn't starting most of the year, they had LJ. The offensive line sucked. And, the Broncos had Marshall and Royal at WR. Not even close. Oh, and Haley was offensive coordinator. McDaniels made Cassel and Orton both look good. But, McDaniels isn't coming with Orton, so we get the Orton of the other three years... the one that has a passer rating around 76. __________________ A bad day at the gym is better than a good day on the Couch.
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11-23-2011, 09:01 PM	#2
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $2675884	Orton threw the ball downfield a lot at Denver. If we continue to throw a lot of 3-5 outs and swing passes, Haley and Muir need to get the **** out of KC.
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