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Old 02-22-2012, 02:17 PM   Topic Starter
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ranking of offensive lines 2011
pro football focus has released their rankings from 32nd to 17th...rest come out tomorrow
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...-lines-part-1/

Chiefs are ranked....in the top 16, so aren't mentioned today

2010 ranking is in parentheses, Giants were 31st which confirms beyond any doubt that Eli is a damn good QB

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31. New York Giants (13th)

Run Rank 24th, Pass Rank 32nd, Penalties Rank 7th

Yes, they won the Super Bowl, but they did so in spite of a line that sieved pressure throughout the year. Our lowest-ranked pass protecting line had problems all over, but nowhere as bad as at the tackle positions (especially once Will Beatty was lost for the year). It wasn’t just the tackles however, with every member of the Giants’ line earning a negative grade. This explains the drop-off in the run game and makes the season that Eli Manning had all the more remarkable.

Best Player: Before his season was cut short, Will Beatty (-1.2) was having a good first year starting … outside of Trent Cole showing him what for in Week 11.

Worst Player: It’s hard to look past David Diehl (-48.1) who was terrible at guard, and even worse at tackle. His on field performance is simply unacceptable, giving up a ridiculous nine sacks, eight hits and 48 hurries during the regular season.
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20. San Francisco 49ers (11th)

Run Rank 8th, Pass Rank 26th, Penalties Rank 18th

The 49ers line came in for more praise than it was due because of their dominance of the NFC West. While it does have plenty of talent and upside (particularly on the left), it’s a long way from delivering on it. They need to fix the problematic right guard spot, after Mr. Boom-or-Bust, Chilo Rachal (-8.2), was all bust this year. This line isn’t miles away from being very good, but it will need Anthony Davis (-15.0) to start playing more consistently.

Best Player: Since coming into the league, Mike Iupati (+9.6) has looked like he has belonged. A top talent.

Worst Player: You have to wonder about how bad the rest of the 49ers’ guards are in practice in that they’re forced to turn to Adam Snyder (-24.4).
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:18 PM   #2
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Chicago's 32nd ranking makes Jay Cutler's performance until he was injured all the more remarkable as well.
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:19 PM   #3
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Chiefs are in the top 16 which confirms beyond any doubt that Cassel is a damn terrible QB
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But, but, but the Chiefs have a horrible, shitty O-line.
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Old 02-22-2012, 04:26 PM   #6
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We had the ball so little its no wonder we're ranked higher than we should be. And there's no way the Giants line is this bad either.
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We had the ball so little its no wonder we're ranked higher than we should be. And there's no way the Giants line is this bad either.
These ranking have nothing to do with how much you have the ball.

These rankings are based on the observations of people whose job is to review tape of each indivual player on the line and grade out how they performed on each play.

And yes, the Giants line was actually that bad.
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These ranking have nothing to do with how much you have the ball.

These rankings are based on the observations of people whose job is to review tape of each indivual player on the line and grade out how they performed on each play.

And yes, the Giants line was actually that bad.
Except they have zero qualifications.. I'd take your opinion 1000 times over these yahoos. If watching tape alone made one an expert then GoChiefs wouldn't be as piss ignorant as he is about the game.

And NO the Giants line was NOT that bad.. I'd say they would fall in the 25-27 range but certainly not 2nd to last.
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Except they have zero qualifications.. I'd take your opinion 1000 times over these yahoos. If watching tape alone made one an expert then GoChiefs wouldn't be as piss ignorant as he is about the game.

And NO the Giants line was NOT that bad.. I'd say they would fall in the 25-27 range but certainly not 2nd to last.
No system is perfect, but from what I saw, the Giants O-Line was bad.

They might have them rated a little low, but they looked like a bottom 10 unit, especially early in the season.

They did improve late in the season, and that helped in their run to the SB.

But they weren't good.
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No system is perfect, but from what I saw, the Giants O-Line was bad.

They might have them rated a little low, but they looked like a bottom 10 unit, especially early in the season.

They did improve late in the season, and that helped in their run to the SB.

But they weren't good.
No they definitely weren't good by any stretch. As I said, 25-27 range is where I'd put them.

I just hate "systems" like PFF where they try to pass of garbage guesses as if they are STATS and FACTS. They aren't, they are guesses and opinions.
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But seriously... we need upgrades. Two of our players are has-beens, and one of our guys is a never-will.

But if people want to point fingers at our piss poor production on offense in 2011 in spite of offensive weapons out the wazoo, they better not be pointing them at the offensive line.
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PFF is just terrible. I really don't understand why anyone puts any credence into what they say. The Giants are NOT the 2nd worst line in the NFL.. that's just garbage.
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PFF is just terrible. I really don't understand why anyone puts any credence into what they say. The Giants are NOT the 2nd worst line in the NFL.. that's just garbage.
Yep . . . that's why NFL teams use their stats. Because they're just terrible.

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Yep . . . that's why NFL teams use their stats. Because they're just terrible.

Trolling over.
#1 I would like an NFL team to confirm this

#2 even if some teams use their stats, I doubt they take them too seriously. I know the #1 external source for their stats and it certainly isn't PFF.

Some stats from PFF has some limited comparative value but the idea that it is factual and not guesswork is ludicrous. Unless of course they someohow have access to every NFL playbook, blocking scheme and transcript of what exactly was called on each play.
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PFF is just terrible. I really don't understand why anyone puts any credence into what they say. The Giants are NOT the 2nd worst line in the NFL.. that's just garbage.
they had the 32 ranked running game in the league

and given how many incredible plays Eli made under pressure, it's probable they are worse than the evaluation says...imagine an average QB behind that line...it could have an epic disaster
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