Chiefs Reworking deals?

Direckshun · 02-14-2014, 03:18 PM

So I'm screwing around with the salary cap calculator. I can get this team in a decent-enough position to stay beneathe the cap by about $3,000,000 if I:

(a.) Extend Alex Smith by about $15m/year.
(b.) Re-sign Schwartz to about $2.5m/year.
(c.) Re-sign McCluster to about $3m/year.
(c.) Re-sign Jordan and Powe to minimals.
(d.) Extend Berry to about $8m/year, lowering his cap number by about $4m.
(e.) Restructure Hali, which hurts our cap in 2015, but not fatally if handled in the other contracts, lowering his cap number in 2014 by about $4m.

There's still two deals on this team, after all this adjusting, that are vastly out of whack to their value. Bowe is at $12m/year, and Flowers is at $10m/year. (We can temporarily overlook Sean Smith's $5m/year & Fasano's $4m/year.)

How often do players rework their deals, if it's clear they're outsized contracts?

Suppose the Chiefs approach Bowe and Flowers and argue that they need to rework their deals to come out to about $8m/year and $6.7m/year, respectively. How common is it that players agree to something like that?

Last offseason, TJax reworked his deal to lower his cap number from $14m to $4m.

Bowe and Flowers could, ostensibly, threaten to hold out or demand a trade/release. But the Chiefs do have a starting corner-caliber player in Cooper, and the Chiefs could easily spend their 1st rounder on a WR, so it's not clear how much of an advantage that is.

The Chiefs, on the other hand, could cut either player, save about $10m in capspace doing it, and it's virtually impossible that Bowe or Flowers would find a better deal on the open market than what we're offering ($8m/year and $6.7m/year, respectively).

So the Chiefs have more leverage, right?

FYI, if the Chiefs follow all the steps I outlined above, and were able to rework both Bowe and Flowers' deal as I suggested, that would put the Chiefs $8m under the cap, which would allow them to chase down a premier WR or S. Or whatever value we could score.

Sannyasi · 02-14-2014, 03:21 PM

In order to get either of those guys to rework their deal, I feel like there'd have to be a legitimate chance of the Chiefs cutting either guy. That doesn't seem to match up with reality to me.

Dunerdr · 02-14-2014, 03:43 PM

No berry deal rework? I would think an extension rework for him would help and get Houston locked in.

thabear04 · 02-14-2014, 04:10 PM

Flowers rework his deal last time.

saphojunkie · 02-14-2014, 04:18 PM

Cut Chase Daniel - saves $1.4M
converting $4M of Berry's base salary this year to roster bonus also shaves another $2M off the cap.

We could be at $6.4 M under with these moves, which allows us some options signing anyone else's free agents.

Kman34 · 02-14-2014, 04:23 PM

Jamaal Charles may want a better contract because of his big season. So that may throw a monkey wrench in the cap plans

mcaj22 · 02-14-2014, 04:26 PM

yea I'm not sure how going up to multiple players and saying we aren't going to necessarily cut you guys, but we want all of you to rework your deals gives them any leverage.

in the case of Jackson they probably said, restructure and get most of this money or we cut you and you lose all of it. And his agent probably knew he wasn't going to see that as a FA last season, so it benefited him.

saphojunkie · 02-14-2014, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

yea I'm not sure how going up to multiple players and saying we aren't going to necessarily cut you guys, but we want all of you to rework your deals gives them any leverage.

in the case of Jackson they probably said, restructure and get most of this money or we cut you and you lose all of it. And his agent probably knew he wasn't going to see that as a FA last season, so it benefited him.

As I understand it, restructuring base salary into roster bonus doesn't affect the player at all. In fact, it's actually better. Instead of getting "game checks," that money comes in one lump sum.

It's better for the player.

mcaj22 · 02-14-2014, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

As I understand it, restructuring base salary into roster bonus doesn't affect the player at all. In fact, it's actually better. Instead of getting "game checks," that money comes in one lump sum.

It's better for the player.

you're going to be asking CHunt to cut some heavy checks up front then. Does he do it?

Direckshun · 02-14-2014, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by thabear04

Flowers rework his deal last time.

He restructured. He didn't take any hit at all.

That's different than what I'm suggesting.

OldSchool · 02-14-2014, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

He restructured. He didn't take any hit at all.

That's different than what I'm suggesting.

If Flowers keeps his current numbers and shows little to no improvement next year, he's gone in 2015.

**J Diddy** · 02-14-2014, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

If Flowers keeps his current numbers and shows little to no improvement next year, he's gone in 2015.

If we get a solid player over the top that won't leave our corners exposed we'll have a top 5 secondary.

**jjchieffan** · 02-15-2014, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Cut Chase Daniel - saves $1.4M
converting $4M of Berry's base salary this year to roster bonus also shaves another $2M off the cap.

We could be at $6.4 M under with these moves, which allows us some options signing anyone else's free agents.

Your Daniel hate is ridiculous. He proved to be a very capable backup in the San Diego game and it will likely cost more than the $1.4M you save to replace him. I suppose you want to draft a rookie and bump Bray up to number 2? Who says that Bray is ready for that? If Alex goes down, I want to know that the offense will be in capable hands until he returns. I'm not giving that up to save a measley $1.4M

whoman69 · 02-15-2014, 10:09 AM

They should rework Derrick Johnson's deal. He's nearly a $4.5 mill cap number. Cutting Fasano would save a million. Chase Daniel has way too high a deal for a backup QB. Cutting Succop would save nearly a million. Devito is the only other place we could look to cut cap #.

**jjchieffan** · 02-15-2014, 10:29 AM

So if Chase Daniels contract is way too big for a backup, could someone please provide numbers that would be acceptable? Starting QB's are getting as much as #20M per year, but the average has got to be at least $10M. Chase's contract is $10M over 3 years. That seems about right to me. I believe Casshole got more to go to Minnesota, and Orton got way more to go to Dallas. Excluding guys who are on rookie contracts, what is the average backup getting in the NFL?

02-14-2014, 03:18 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	Reworking deals? So I'm screwing around with the salary cap calculator. I can get this team in a decent-enough position to stay beneathe the cap by about $3,000,000 if I: (a.) Extend Alex Smith by about $15m/year. (b.) Re-sign Schwartz to about $2.5m/year. (c.) Re-sign McCluster to about $3m/year. (c.) Re-sign Jordan and Powe to minimals. (d.) Extend Berry to about $8m/year, lowering his cap number by about $4m. (e.) Restructure Hali, which hurts our cap in 2015, but not fatally if handled in the other contracts, lowering his cap number in 2014 by about $4m. There's still two deals on this team, after all this adjusting, that are vastly out of whack to their value. Bowe is at $12m/year, and Flowers is at $10m/year. (We can temporarily overlook Sean Smith's $5m/year & Fasano's $4m/year.) How often do players rework their deals, if it's clear they're outsized contracts? Suppose the Chiefs approach Bowe and Flowers and argue that they need to rework their deals to come out to about $8m/year and $6.7m/year, respectively. How common is it that players agree to something like that? Last offseason, TJax reworked his deal to lower his cap number from $14m to $4m. Bowe and Flowers could, ostensibly, threaten to hold out or demand a trade/release. But the Chiefs do have a starting corner-caliber player in Cooper, and the Chiefs could easily spend their 1st rounder on a WR, so it's not clear how much of an advantage that is. The Chiefs, on the other hand, could cut either player, save about $10m in capspace doing it, and it's virtually impossible that Bowe or Flowers would find a better deal on the open market than what we're offering ($8m/year and $6.7m/year, respectively). So the Chiefs have more leverage, right? FYI, if the Chiefs follow all the steps I outlined above, and were able to rework both Bowe and Flowers' deal as I suggested, that would put the Chiefs $8m under the cap, which would allow them to chase down a premier WR or S. Or whatever value we could score.
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Sannyasi Veteran Join Date: Jan 2010 Casino cash: $9963714	In order to get either of those guys to rework their deal, I feel like there'd have to be a legitimate chance of the Chiefs cutting either guy. That doesn't seem to match up with reality to me.
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	yea I'm not sure how going up to multiple players and saying we aren't going to necessarily cut you guys, but we want all of you to rework your deals gives them any leverage. in the case of Jackson they probably said, restructure and get most of this money or we cut you and you lose all of it. And his agent probably knew he wasn't going to see that as a FA last season, so it benefited him.
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