Interesting statistical analysis pt. 1: Aaron Rodgers, game manager.

[Direckshun]

Super interesting stuff.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...the-nfc-north/

Last year, with quarterback Aaron Rodgers missing half the season due to a broken collarbone, the Packers finished with just an 8-7-1 record, and gave up more points than they scored. Despite all that, they still eked out an NFC North division championship for the third year in a row.

In the eight games in which Rodgers played more than the opening drive, the Packers went 6-2 with an average margin of victory of 7.4 points. In the eight games that featured the smorgasbord1 of Packers backups, they went 2-5-1 with an average margin of defeat of 8.8 points. It’s difficult to disentangle a quarterback’s performance from that of his teammates (or his coaches), but the Packers’ 2013 results are perhaps the best evidence yet that Rodgers is the real deal.2

Since Rodgers took over for Brett Favre in 2008, the Packers have been one of the NFL’s best franchises. They’ve won the fourth-most games (they’re in essentially a four-way-tie behind the Patriots) and a Super Bowl (as many of those as anyone else over that period, and one more than the Patriots). ESPN’s Total Quarterback Rating (QBR) is one of the most all-encompassing quarterback rating systems out there today.3 Rodgers’s QBR in the last six years is 72.9, second only to Peyton Manning’s 80.7. Rodgers performs fantastically well in a variety of other quarterback metrics.

But that’s what happens when you a) play for a good team and b) don’t throw interceptions. These are strongly related. Most interceptions are thrown when the quarterback’s team is trailing (about twice as many as when it’s ahead), and they become more and more likely the more his team is down or the closer they come to the end of the game4:



Interceptions are often (even largely) a product of completely rational risk-taking by desperate quarterbacks. A logical implication of this is that if a quarterback is too conservative, he can throw too few interceptions, which can be just as bad as throwing too many.

Despite his various successes, it’s possible Rodgers fits this description of an overly conservative quarterback. For example, with his team down by two or more scores (9+ points) he has thrown only three interceptions out of 354 passes attempted (0.8 percent) in his career. This is typically when quarterbacks throw the most INTs, because they’re trying to get their teams back into the game, and high-risk strategies often give them the best chance to win. Overall, quarterbacks throw interceptions about 3.5 percent of the time on average in those situations, with even most great quarterbacks breaking 3.0 percent. Peyton Manning, for example, has averaged 3.1 percent, Drew Brees has averaged 3.3 percent, and even Tom Brady has thrown 2.3 percent (slightly above his career average).5

Being insufficiently willing to gamble even when circumstances are dire can be good for a QB’s stats, while bad for his team. And there’s evidence of this in Rodgers’s record as well: He has only engineered six fourth-quarter comebacks in his career — good for 149th all time (Russell Wilson already has eight).

There’s nothing wrong with giving your team the lead and then keeping it.6 But Rodgers has averaged one fourth-quarter comeback every 14.5 games. This is staggeringly low, even for a player whose team isn’t behind that often. Brady has played for an even more consistently good team and has a fourth-quarter comeback once every 6.2 games. Both brothers Manning have averaged one every six games, Ben Roethlisberger has one every 6.2, Drew Brees and Joe Flacco have one about every eight. Favre (surprisingly) had one only every 9.9 games.

But the good news for Packers fans is that Rodgers has some pretty low-hanging room for improvement: If he starts taking more calculated risks (likely sacrificing his stats a little in the process), the Pack may be even more dangerous.

[RobBlake]

Rodgers is slightly overrated but is a top qb no doubt

[Simply Red]

[Hammock Parties]

I'd like to see where Romo and Alex rank in that 4th quarter comeback stat.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Count Zarth

I'd like to see where Romo and Alex rank in that 4th quarter comeback stat.

I'd like to see where they rank in Post-season play.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Count Zarth

I'd like to see where Romo and Alex rank in that 4th quarter comeback stat.

Romo: one every 5.4 games
Alex: one every 8.2 games

[Psyko Tek]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

Is that Eli?

[Kaepernick]

[Kaepernick]

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Count Zarth

I'd like to see where Romo and Alex rank in that 4th quarter comeback stat.

Romo has 20
Smith has 13

That's misleading because Smith's comebacks have often benefited from a great defense. I am not impressed yet with Smith's ability to close games.

But for Aaron Rodgers specifically, yes, this is an issue he needs to address He's an elite QB and his 4th quarter track record in close games isn't good. I remember a writer looked into if that 6 comeback wins also includes games where Rodgers did what he could and the defense completely blew it, and I think you'd only find a few. So even if you do that, his comeback #'s are alarmingly low.

[Hootie]

Aaron Rodgers is good, but definitely overrated

[WhiteWhale]

Damn over-rated Rogers. If he'd throw more interceptions, get his team behind, and then come back, that would certainly show everyone.

Only over-rated QB's take leads early and then keep their team in position to win.

Total game manager.

/derp squad

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Damn over-rated Rogers. If he'd throw more interceptions, get his team behind, and then come back, that would certainly show everyone.

Only over-rated QB's take leads early and then keep their team in position to win.

Total game manager.

/derp squad

He is only overrated because many think he's the best QB in the game.

If you want to be considered the best in the game, you have to be great in the clutch. And Rodgers' track record isn't very good. I don't know why I feel like this is the year he changes that but it can't be ignored that his numbers don't look good. And while I haven't seen every close game I have seen a few where he doesn't seem to have that "it factor" late in games you see from the game's greats.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He is only overrated because many think he's the best QB in the game.

If you want to be considered the best in the game, you have to be great in the clutch. And Rodgers' track record isn't very good. I don't know why I feel like this is the year he changes that but it can't be ignored that his numbers don't look good. And while I haven't seen every close game I have seen a few where he doesn't seem to have that "it factor" late in games you see from the game's greats.

In all honesty Peyton's clutch factor is worse than little brother Eli

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

In all honesty Peyton's clutch factor is worse than little brother Eli

For a guy as automatic as he is late in games in the regular season, we just see too many collapses in playoff games. Agreed. When we're talking about elite QB, those kinds of things matter. I mean, Peyton will be considered by many to be the best player to ever play the game. When that kind of stuff gets thrown around, then these details really matter.

There was that feeling with Brady years ago when he first started, and I don't know why we don't see it anymore. Same feeling I had with Montana. No lead was ever safe in the playoffs. I just don't feel even close to the same with Peyton or Rodgers, even Brees for that matter.