Football New PAT Rules: What happens if...

Amnorix · 09-10-2015, 02:10 PM

Enlightening memo from the NFL on all the weird things that can happen with the new rules on PATs, including hte ability to return a failed effort for points

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...s-new-pat-rule

The list below, culled from an NFL memo circulated among teams, covers just about every scenario you can think of. It mimics an extra-point attempt by the Packers against the Chicago Bears.

Block/Turnover Scenarios

1. Try from the 15-yard line. Kick is blocked and returned by the Bears across the Packers' goal line.

Result: Two points for the Bears.

2. Try from the 15-yard line. Kick is blocked and recovered behind the line of scrimmage (LOS) by the Packers and advanced across the Bears' goal line.

Result: Two points for the Packers.

3. Try from the 15-yard line. Kick is blocked and recovered beyond the LOS by the Packers and advanced across the Bears' goal line.

Result: Try no good. Ball is dead when recovered by the Packers beyond the LOS.

4. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted and returned by the Bears across the Packers' goal line.

Result: Two points for the Bears.

5. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted by the Bears, then fumbled, and recovered by the Packers and advanced across the Bears' goal line.

Result: Two points for the Packers.

6. Try from the 2-yard line. Packers running back Eddie Lacy fumbles, and ball is recovered by Packers receiver Jordy Nelson and advanced across the Bears' goal line.

Result: Try no good. Ball is dead when recovered by Nelson.

7. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted by Bears linebacker Jared Allen, who then fumbles, and ball is recovered by Bears cornerback Kyle Fuller and advanced across the Packers' goal line.

Result: Try no good. Ball is dead when recovered by Fuller.

8. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted by Allen, who takes it out of his own end zone and then goes back into the end zone on his own where he is tackled.

Result: Safety, one point for the Packers.

9. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted by Allen and returned to the Packers' 3-yard line, where Allen fumbles. Lacy bats loose ball from field of play into Packers' end zone and out of bounds.

Result: Safety, one point for Bears. Bat is legal, but result of play is a safety.

Penalty Scenarios

1. Try from the 15-yard line. Packers line up for kick. Offside called on Bears. Kick is good.

Options:

(a) Try good, enforce offside penalty on kickoff.

(b) Re-try for two points from the 1-yard line.

2. Try from the 15-yard line. Packers line up for kick. Offside called on Bears. Kick is no good.

Options:

(a) Re-kick with snap at 10-yard line.

(b) Re-try for two points from the 1-yard line.

3. Try from the 2-yard line. Packers line up to go for two points. Offside called on defense. Try is no good.

Options:

(a) Re-try for two points from the 1-yard line.

(b) Attempt kick with snap at 10-yard line.

4. Try from the 2-yard line. Packers line up to go for two points. Holding called on offense. Try is good.

Options:

(a) Re-try for two points from the 12-yard line.

(b) Attempt kick with snap at 25-yard line.

5. Try from 15-yard line. Packers line up for kick. Holding called on offense. Try is good.

Options:

(a) Re-try kick with snap at 25-yard line.

(b) Attempt for two points from the 12-yard line.

Amnorix · 09-10-2015, 02:11 PM

Hopefully not Q, btw...

Amnorix · 09-10-2015, 02:13 PM

Christ, a ONE point safety?!? This is all pretty freaking weird.

**AustinChief** · 09-10-2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Christ, a ONE point safety?!? This is all pretty freaking weird.

Yeah that freaked me out a bit.

ThaVirus · 09-10-2015, 02:20 PM

Amnorix · 09-10-2015, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Yeah that freaked me out a bit.

Very weird.

The penalty stuff is perfectly sensible. But all the permutations on fumbles/interceptions, returns for points, etc.....definitely complex.

No doubt at least one game this year will be decided by some of this stuff -- either a miss on a regular PAT (from 15) or some weird fumble/return thing.

**wazu** · 09-10-2015, 02:20 PM

Gonna be a lot of bizarre plays. I suspect these rules will not represent an advantage for the Chiefs. The coaches who play the odds and are generally good at things like clock management will benefit the most.

**ChiefGator** · 09-10-2015, 02:26 PM

Excellent.. thanks for posting. I had been wondering about these scenarios:

4. Try from the 2-yard line. Packers line up to go for two points. Holding called on offense. Try is good.

Options:

(a) Re-try for two points from the 12-yard line.

(b) Attempt kick with snap at 25-yard line.

5. Try from 15-yard line. Packers line up for kick. Holding called on offense. Try is good.

Options:

(a) Re-try kick with snap at 25-yard line.

(b) Attempt for two points from the 12-yard line.

CaliforniaChief · 09-10-2015, 02:26 PM

If #6 happened, well...that would be pretty nuts.

Amnorix · 09-10-2015, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Excellent.. thanks for posting. I had been wondering about these scenarios:

4. Try from the 2-yard line. Packers line up to go for two points. Holding called on offense. Try is good.

Options:

(a) Re-try for two points from the 12-yard line.

(b) Attempt kick with snap at 25-yard line.

5. Try from 15-yard line. Packers line up for kick. Holding called on offense. Try is good.

Options:

(a) Re-try kick with snap at 25-yard line.

(b) Attempt for two points from the 12-yard line.

Yeah, penalties are really easy and logical. BAsically, kicking team gets to retry, and they can ignore whatever they did before and either go for 2 or kick. Whichever one they do, you adjust for the foul per normal rules (either full distance, or half the distance to the goal, as applicable).

It's the fumble whackiness that is going to be harder to follow. One point safeties and such.

Frosty · 09-10-2015, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

6. Try from the 2-yard line. Packers running back Eddie Lacy fumbles, and ball is recovered by Packers receiver Jordy Nelson and advanced across the Bears' goal line.

Result: Try no good. Ball is dead when recovered by Nelson.

7. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted by Bears linebacker Jared Allen, who then fumbles, and ball is recovered by Bears cornerback Kyle Fuller and advanced across the Packers' goal line.

Result: Try no good. Ball is dead when recovered by Fuller.

8. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted by Allen, who takes it out of his own end zone and then goes back into the end zone on his own where he is tackled.

Result: Safety, one point for the Packers.

9. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted by Allen and returned to the Packers' 3-yard line, where Allen fumbles. Lacy bats loose ball from field of play into Packers' end zone and out of bounds.

Result: Safety, one point for Bears. Bat is legal, but result of play is a safety.

Hah! I just knew there was different rules for different players.

TLO · 09-10-2015, 04:06 PM

**TribalElder** · 09-10-2015, 04:09 PM

New PAT rules kinda take the air out of the game

**alnorth** · 09-10-2015, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder

New PAT rules kinda take the air out of the game

This, except the exact opposite.

**Rain Man** · 09-11-2015, 07:13 AM

I want to see a game end with a 1-0 score, but I guess it's still impossible if the one-point safety can only happen on an extra point.

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Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	New PAT Rules: What happens if... Enlightening memo from the NFL on all the weird things that can happen with the new rules on PATs, including hte ability to return a failed effort for points http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...s-new-pat-rule The list below, culled from an NFL memo circulated among teams, covers just about every scenario you can think of. It mimics an extra-point attempt by the Packers against the Chicago Bears. Block/Turnover Scenarios 1. Try from the 15-yard line. Kick is blocked and returned by the Bears across the Packers' goal line. Result: Two points for the Bears. 2. Try from the 15-yard line. Kick is blocked and recovered behind the line of scrimmage (LOS) by the Packers and advanced across the Bears' goal line. Result: Two points for the Packers. 3. Try from the 15-yard line. Kick is blocked and recovered beyond the LOS by the Packers and advanced across the Bears' goal line. Result: Try no good. Ball is dead when recovered by the Packers beyond the LOS. 4. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted and returned by the Bears across the Packers' goal line. Result: Two points for the Bears. 5. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted by the Bears, then fumbled, and recovered by the Packers and advanced across the Bears' goal line. Result: Two points for the Packers. 6. Try from the 2-yard line. Packers running back Eddie Lacy fumbles, and ball is recovered by Packers receiver Jordy Nelson and advanced across the Bears' goal line. Result: Try no good. Ball is dead when recovered by Nelson. 7. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted by Bears linebacker Jared Allen, who then fumbles, and ball is recovered by Bears cornerback Kyle Fuller and advanced across the Packers' goal line. Result: Try no good. Ball is dead when recovered by Fuller. 8. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted by Allen, who takes it out of his own end zone and then goes back into the end zone on his own where he is tackled. Result: Safety, one point for the Packers. 9. Try from the 2-yard line. Pass is intercepted by Allen and returned to the Packers' 3-yard line, where Allen fumbles. Lacy bats loose ball from field of play into Packers' end zone and out of bounds. Result: Safety, one point for Bears. Bat is legal, but result of play is a safety. Penalty Scenarios 1. Try from the 15-yard line. Packers line up for kick. Offside called on Bears. Kick is good. Options: (a) Try good, enforce offside penalty on kickoff. (b) Re-try for two points from the 1-yard line. 2. Try from the 15-yard line. Packers line up for kick. Offside called on Bears. Kick is no good. Options: (a) Re-kick with snap at 10-yard line. (b) Re-try for two points from the 1-yard line. 3. Try from the 2-yard line. Packers line up to go for two points. Offside called on defense. Try is no good. Options: (a) Re-try for two points from the 1-yard line. (b) Attempt kick with snap at 10-yard line. 4. Try from the 2-yard line. Packers line up to go for two points. Holding called on offense. Try is good. Options: (a) Re-try for two points from the 12-yard line. (b) Attempt kick with snap at 25-yard line. 5. Try from 15-yard line. Packers line up for kick. Holding called on offense. Try is good. Options: (a) Re-try kick with snap at 25-yard line. (b) Attempt for two points from the 12-yard line.
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