Brugler's Top 100

[kccrow]

Here's Dane Brugler's current top 100 from The Athletic

1. Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia (6-3, 310)
2. Will Anderson Jr., Edge, Alabama (6-4, 245)
3. Bryce Young, QB, Alabama (5-10, 192)
4. Peter Skoronski, OT/G, Northwestern (6-4, 305)
5. Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon (6-2, 200)
6. Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas (6-0, 220)
7. C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State (6-3, 207)
8. Tyree Wilson, Edge, Texas Tech (6-6, 270)
9. Paris Johnson Jr., OT, Ohio State (6-7, 308)
10. Will Levis, QB, Kentucky (6-4, 230)
11. Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State (6-2, 200)
12. Broderick Jones, OT, Georgia (6-4, 315)
13. Myles Murphy, Edge, Clemson (6-5, 273)
14. Anthony Richardson, QB, Florida (6-4, 232)
15. Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois (6-0, 183)
16. Brian Branch, S, Alabama (6-0, 193)
17. Bryan Bresee, DT, Clemson (6-5, 316)
18. Lukas Van Ness, Edge, Iowa (6-5, 270)
19. Nolan Smith, Edge, Georgia (6-3, 237)
20. Jordan Addison, WR, USC (6-0, 180)
21. Jahmyr Gibbs, RB, Alabama (5-11, 204)
22. Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee (6-0, 188)
23. Drew Sanders, LB, Arkansas (6-5, 232)
24. Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame (6-5, 257)
25. Quentin Johnston, WR, TCU (6-4, 215)
26. Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State (6-1, 193)
27. Luke Musgrave, TE, Oregon State (6-6, 255)
28. O’Cyrus Torrence, G, Florida (6-5, 337)
29. Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia (6-7, 280)
30. Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah (6-4, 241)
31. Deonte Banks, CB, Maryland (6-0, 207)
32. Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia (6-2, 210)
33. BJ Ojulari, Edge, LSU (6-3, 245)
34. Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Mississippi State (6-0, 174)
35. Calijah Kancey, DT, Pittsburgh (6-0, 275)
36. Trenton Simpson, LB, Clemson (6-3, 234)
37. Darnell Wright, OT, Tennessee (6-5, 342)
38. Mazi Smith, DT, Michigan (6-3, 335)
39. Cody Mauch, G/C, North Dakota State (6-5, 305)
40. Keion White, Edge, Georgia Tech (6-5, 280)
41. Steve Avila, G/C, TCU (6-3, 332)
42. Will McDonald IV, Edge, Iowa State (6-4, 241)
43. Joe Tippmann, G/C, Wisconsin (6-6, 315)
44. Devon Achane, RB, Texas A&M (5-9, 185)
45. Josh Downs, WR, North Carolina (5-10, 175)
46. Derick Hall, Edge, Auburn (6-3, 252)
47. Tyler Scott, WR, Cincinnati (5-11, 185)
48. Gervon Dexter Sr., DT, Florida (6-6, 315)
49. Tucker Kraft, TE, South Dakota State (6-5, 255)
50. John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota (6-3, 306)
51. Cam Smith, CB, South Carolina (6-0, 181)
52. Dawand Jones, OT, Ohio State (6-8, 375)
53. Keeanu Benton, DT, Wisconsin (6-4, 312)
54. Clark Phillips III, CB, Utah (5-10, 185)
55. Zay Flowers, WR, Boston College (5-9, 182)
56. Antonio Johnson, S, Texas A&M (6-3, 195)
57. Siaki Ika, DT, Baylor (6-4, 354)
58. Isaiah Foskey, Edge, Notre Dame (6-5, 252)
59. Tuli Tuipulotu, DT, USC (6-4, 290)
60. Kyu Blu Kelly, CB, Stanford (6-0, 193)
61. Sam LaPorta, TE, Iowa (6-4, 250)
62. Tyrique Stevenson, CB, Miami (Fla.) (6-0, 204)
63. Anton Harrison, OT, Oklahoma (6-6, 310)
64. Zach Charbonnet, RB, UCLA (6-1, 224)
65. Matthew Bergeron, OT/G, Syracuse (6-5, 323)
66. Zach Harrison, Edge, Ohio State (6-6, 266)
67. Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Edge, Kansas State (6-4, 255)
68. Ji’Ayir Brown, S, Penn State (5-11, 210)
69. Wanya Morris, OT, Oklahoma (6-5, 317)
70. Tank Bigsby, RB, Auburn (6-0, 215)
71. Henry To’oTo’o, LB, Alabama (6-1, 230)
72. Jayden Reed, WR, Michigan State (5-11, 191)
73. Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa (6-4, 248)
74. Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee (6-3, 214)
75. Nick Herbig, LB, Wisconsin (6-2, 229)
76. DJ Turner, CB, Michigan (6-0, 180)
77. Parker Washington, WR, Penn State (5-10, 210)
78. Roschon Johnson, RB, Texas (6-1, 219)
79. Darius Rush, CB, South Carolina (6-2, 196)
80. Tyjae Spears, RB, Tulane (5-10, 204)
81. McClendon Curtis, OT/G, Chattanooga (6-6, 331)
82. Daiyan Henley, LB, Washington State (6-1, 230)
83. Christopher Smith, S, Georgia (5-10, 188)
84. Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland (6-6, 298)
85. Mike Morris, Edge, Michigan (6-6, 290)
86. Nathaniel Dell, WR, Houston (5-8, 163)
87. Zach Evans, RB, Ole Miss (6-0, 215)
88. Andre Carter II, Edge, Army (6-6, 255)
89. Eric Gray, RB, Oklahoma (5-10, 210)
90. Jammie Robinson, S, Florida State (5-11, 194)
91. A.T. Perry, WR, Wake Forest (6-3, 195)
92. Kendre Miller, RB, TCU (6-0, 220)
93. Colby Wooden, DT, Auburn (6-5, 285)
94. Dylan Horton, Edge, TCU (6-4, 275)
95. Braeden Daniels, OT/G, Utah (6-4, 291)
96. Adetomiwa Adebawore, DT, Northwestern (6-2, 284)
97. Xavier Hutchinson, WR, Iowa State (6-2, 207)
98. DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas (6-3, 222)
99. Byron Young, DT, Alabama (6-3, 297)
100. Luke Schoonmaker, TE, Michigan (6-5, 249)

[kccrow]

Here's a breakdown by position. Some surprises at WR, especially.

Quarterback
3. Bryce Young, QB, Alabama (5-10, 192)
7. C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State (6-3, 207)
10. Will Levis, QB, Kentucky (6-4, 230)
14. Anthony Richardson, QB, Florida (6-4, 232)

Running Back
6. Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas (6-0, 220)
21. Jahmyr Gibbs, RB, Alabama (5-11, 204)
44. Devon Achane, RB, Texas A&M (5-9, 185)
64. Zach Charbonnet, RB, UCLA (6-1, 224)
70. Tank Bigsby, RB, Auburn (6-0, 215)
78. Roschon Johnson, RB, Texas (6-1, 219)
80. Tyjae Spears, RB, Tulane (5-10, 204)
87. Zach Evans, RB, Ole Miss (6-0, 215)
89. Eric Gray, RB, Oklahoma (5-10, 210)
92. Kendre Miller, RB, TCU (6-0, 220)

Tight End
24. Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame (6-5, 257)
27. Luke Musgrave, TE, Oregon State (6-6, 255)
29. Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia (6-7, 280)
30. Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah (6-4, 241)
49. Tucker Kraft, TE, South Dakota State (6-5, 255)
61. Sam LaPorta, TE, Iowa (6-4, 250)
100. Luke Schoonmaker, TE, Michigan (6-5, 249)

Wide Receiver
20. Jordan Addison, WR, USC (6-0, 180)
22. Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee (6-0, 188)
25. Quentin Johnston, WR, TCU (6-4, 215)
26. Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State (6-1, 193)
45. Josh Downs, WR, North Carolina (5-10, 175)
47. Tyler Scott, WR, Cincinnati (5-11, 185)
55. Zay Flowers, WR, Boston College (5-9, 182)
72. Jayden Reed, WR, Michigan State (5-11, 191)
74. Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee (6-3, 214)
77. Parker Washington, WR, Penn State (5-10, 210)
86. Nathaniel Dell, WR, Houston (5-8, 163)
91. A.T. Perry, WR, Wake Forest (6-3, 195)
97. Xavier Hutchinson, WR, Iowa State (6-2, 207)

Offensive Tackle
4. Peter Skoronski, OT/G, Northwestern (6-4, 305)
9. Paris Johnson Jr., OT, Ohio State (6-7, 308)
12. Broderick Jones, OT, Georgia (6-4, 315)
37. Darnell Wright, OT, Tennessee (6-5, 342)
52. Dawand Jones, OT, Ohio State (6-8, 375)
63. Anton Harrison, OT, Oklahoma (6-6, 310)
65. Matthew Bergeron, OT/G, Syracuse (6-5, 323)
69. Wanya Morris, OT, Oklahoma (6-5, 317)
84. Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland (6-6, 298)

Interior Offensive Line
28. O’Cyrus Torrence, G, Florida (6-5, 337)
39. Cody Mauch, G/C, North Dakota State (6-5, 305)
41. Steve Avila, G/C, TCU (6-3, 332)
43. Joe Tippmann, G/C, Wisconsin (6-6, 315)
50. John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota (6-3, 306)
81. McClendon Curtis, OT/G, Chattanooga (6-6, 331)
95. Braeden Daniels, OT/G, Utah (6-4, 291)

Defensive Tackle
1. Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia (6-3, 310)
17. Bryan Bresee, DT, Clemson (6-5, 316)
35. Calijah Kancey, DT, Pittsburgh (6-0, 275)
38. Mazi Smith, DT, Michigan (6-3, 335)
48. Gervon Dexter Sr., DT, Florida (6-6, 315)
53. Keeanu Benton, DT, Wisconsin (6-4, 312)
57. Siaki Ika, DT, Baylor (6-4, 354)
59. Tuli Tuipulotu, DT, USC (6-4, 290)
93. Colby Wooden, DT, Auburn (6-5, 285)
96. Adetomiwa Adebawore, DT, Northwestern (6-2, 284)
99. Byron Young, DT, Alabama (6-3, 297)

Edge Rusher
2. Will Anderson Jr., Edge, Alabama (6-4, 245)
8. Tyree Wilson, Edge, Texas Tech (6-6, 270)
13. Myles Murphy, Edge, Clemson (6-5, 273)
18. Lukas Van Ness, Edge, Iowa (6-5, 270)
19. Nolan Smith, Edge, Georgia (6-3, 237)
33. BJ Ojulari, Edge, LSU (6-3, 245)
40. Keion White, Edge, Georgia Tech (6-5, 280)
42. Will McDonald IV, Edge, Iowa State (6-4, 241)
46. Derick Hall, Edge, Auburn (6-3, 252)
58. Isaiah Foskey, Edge, Notre Dame (6-5, 252)
66. Zach Harrison, Edge, Ohio State (6-6, 266)
67. Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Edge, Kansas State (6-4, 255)
85. Mike Morris, Edge, Michigan (6-6, 290)
88. Andre Carter II, Edge, Army (6-6, 255)
94. Dylan Horton, Edge, TCU (6-4, 275)

Linebacker
23. Drew Sanders, LB, Arkansas (6-5, 232)
36. Trenton Simpson, LB, Clemson (6-3, 234)
71. Henry To’oTo’o, LB, Alabama (6-1, 230)
73. Jack Campbell, LB, Iowa (6-4, 248)
75. Nick Herbig, LB, Wisconsin (6-2, 229)
82. Daiyan Henley, LB, Washington State (6-1, 230)
98. DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas (6-3, 222)

Cornerback
5. Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon (6-2, 200)
11. Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State (6-2, 200)
15. Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois (6-0, 183)
31. Deonte Banks, CB, Maryland (6-0, 207)
32. Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia (6-2, 210)
34. Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Mississippi State (6-0, 174)
51. Cam Smith, CB, South Carolina (6-0, 181)
54. Clark Phillips III, CB, Utah (5-10, 185)
60. Kyu Blu Kelly, CB, Stanford (6-0, 193)
62. Tyrique Stevenson, CB, Miami (Fla.) (6-0, 204)
76. DJ Turner, CB, Michigan (6-0, 180)
79. Darius Rush, CB, South Carolina (6-2, 196)

Safety
16. Brian Branch, S, Alabama (6-0, 193)
56. Antonio Johnson, S, Texas A&M (6-3, 195)
68. Ji’Ayir Brown, S, Penn State (5-11, 210)
83. Christopher Smith, S, Georgia (5-10, 188)
90. Jammie Robinson, S, Florida State (5-11, 194)

[Direckshun]

Looking over this list, kccrow, answer me this.

All things being equal, knowing that we can't know who is on the board at 31, grade the following hypothetical draft picks the Chiefs hypothetically make at 31:

RB Devon Achane, Texas A&M
WR Quenton Johnston, TCU
WR Tyler Scott, Cincinnati
DT Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh
DT Mazi Smith, Michigan
DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
DE Keoin White, Georgia Tech

Again, all things being equal.

These are some guys I've waffled on as a good pick at 31, wanted to know your thoughts.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Looking over this list, kccrow, answer me this.

All things being equal, knowing that we can't know who is on the board at 31, grade the following hypothetical draft picks the Chiefs hypothetically make at 31:

RB Devon Achane, Texas A&M
WR Quenton Johnston, TCU
WR Tyler Scott, Cincinnati
DT Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh
DT Mazi Smith, Michigan
DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
DE Keoin White, Georgia Tech

Again, all things being equal.

These are some guys I've waffled on as a good pick at 31, wanted to know your thoughts.

I'm going to have to give you a tiny book here but here goes...

RB Devon Achane, Texas A&M
Absolute no as a 1st round pick. I don't think he shows the level of talent at RB that warrants it. Don't let that deter you from thinking he's not talented because he absolutely is. He's a slightly lighter version of Austin Ekeler in my eyes. He might be a little faster than Ekeler. That said, they are guys that you have to get out in space to be effective. Alot of outside zone and alot of short passes. That's valuable, for sure. And sure, he's going to pop some between the tackles. He'll probably be good in the redzone just like Ekeler because they hit the hole fast. 3rd or Goal and 1 with all the beef crashing down? Yeah they aren't running up the middle for shit. Anyhow, like the player. If he's a 2nd round guy and this team has no holes heading into that, I don't care. At 31, it's not even a consideration.

WR Quentin Johnston, TCU
I'd be all over it. He won't be there though. He will be the top WR drafted if he runs sub-4.45 which I've seen as extremely possible. I wouldn't rule out top 10. If he runs in the 4.3s he's definitely going top 10. He's the total package with his size, hands, and that speed and acceleration. I think that's the underrated thing about him is his ability to accelerate and get YAC. If Duggan was a better QB, I think Johnston would have broke 1,500 yards easily. This is the guy I'm keeping my eye on when the combine rolls around for sure. I have him around 20 if he doesn't run like a deer and I'd trade up if that's the case. I'm guessing I'll be moving him up my board and up in my mock considerably though.

WR Tyler Scott, Cincinnati
You know I love Tyler Scott. He's a burner. He reminds me so, so much of DeSean Jackson its rediculous. Would I take him at 31? Obviously every choice comes down to what happens in free agency and how the boards is falling, but as a stand-alone my answer is yes. Do I like him like I like Hyatt and Johnston? No, but I'm not sure anyone does. Scott is a guy that I could easily see as a high quality Z that can take the top off and do alot of what Tyreek did. He's alot more of a polished player in my eyes as compared to Hardman coming out.

DT Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh
No. First off, we have Chris Jones so that immediately makes Kancey a 2nd string player. He's not going to be able to play 1-tech here. Kancey is a 100% 1-gap under tackle. There's not much more I can really elaborate on here. I like him in a role and maybe he develops into much more. Expecting the next Aaron Donald though is difficult. If you like Kancey, definitely check out Dante Stills from West Virginia who is a bit bigger (6'4' 289) and has that same quickness. Stills is projected much lower but you can still get a rotational 3/5-tech with alot of the same traits.

DT Mazi Smith, Michigan
I would but that weapon charge. It scare the shit out of me. One ****up in the next year and he's going to land his ass in prison. You'd like to trust that this team would be able to keep him in check and perhaps Mazi will keep himself in check. He seems like a genuinely good dude that made a really stupid mistake but I've aired my feelings on this before and wonder why he was carrying a loaded pistol and extra clip in Ann Arbor. Just not necessary. Anyhow, tremendous player that reminds me of a young Brandon Williams. Man, he's a monster. Pretending to be Veach, you'd be vetting the shit out this guy before you pull that trigger. I'm conflicted.

DE Lukas VanNess, Iowa
Yes. I think he's faster than Karlaftis and potentially stronger, plus he's longer. In many other ways he's just like Karlaftis. Motor, linear speed, etc. Not bendy. I think maybe a little better against the run than GK. I think you'd be fine with that pairing. It'd probably look alot like Cincinnati with Hendrickson and Hubbard. They'll get the job done. I think with the size and the strength, I'd take him over some speed guys like Hall and Ojulari who might struggle against the run a bit.


DE Keion White, Georgia Tech
Maybe and it'd be highly dependent on how the board falls. Look, some guys are high on him but I think they are way too high on him (#9 overall) This guy is powerful and he's got a good launch off the snap but I'm not ready to crown him the next Travon Walker. I was high on this guy two months ago but I'm being realistic with him. I said 3rd, maybe 2nd round. He finished the season well since then and I feel like he's a strong 2nd rounder maybe end of 1 guy. He needs to put together a better rush plan, better hands, and pad level. All those things really stand out on tape. He's got his power rush and little else. When he gets to the pros he can't just power to the QB. He's has to set up those tackles with inside/outside variety, come in with better leverage, and fight off their hands. He's also an older prospect at 24 that will turn 25 before we play in the next Super Bowl, so that's a consideration.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Looking over this list, kccrow, answer me this.

All things being equal, knowing that we can't know who is on the board at 31, grade the following hypothetical draft picks the Chiefs hypothetically make at 31:

RB Devon Achane, Texas A&M
WR Quenton Johnston, TCU
WR Tyler Scott, Cincinnati
DT Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh
DT Mazi Smith, Michigan
DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
DE Keoin White, Georgia Tech

I'm wondering if Q Johnston wouldn't be a nice trade up target if he falls past #15, if he falls to us at 31 we run to the podium.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Looking over this list, kccrow, answer me this.

All things being equal, knowing that we can't know who is on the board at 31, grade the following hypothetical draft picks the Chiefs hypothetically make at 31:

RB Devon Achane, Texas A&M
WR Quenton Johnston, TCU
WR Tyler Scott, Cincinnati
DT Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh
DT Mazi Smith, Michigan
DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
DE Keoin White, Georgia Tech

Again, all things being equal.

These are some guys I've waffled on as a good pick at 31, wanted to know your thoughts.

Will McDonald IV is the most likely, and best speed rusher left at 31, imo. That's what I'd want at DE. I don't get the Van Ness love and I'm not convinced Keoin White is a R1 guy at all.

At WR I would absolutely love Johnston but he's not there at 31 and I wouldn't go up for him. I don't think Scott is a R1.

I was on the Kancey train early and I do think he's early R2, I just don't know he has more of an impact than a decent DE given he's not ready to be an every down guy. He'd be great, but he'd be a luxury. Mazi Smith probably offers a more complete and useful piece day 1. I do think he could be great, I wouldn't hate the pick, but I think he'll still also need a year.

Absolutely no to a RB!

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Looking over this list, kccrow, answer me this.

All things being equal, knowing that we can't know who is on the board at 31, grade the following hypothetical draft picks the Chiefs hypothetically make at 31:

RB Devon Achane, Texas A&M
WR Quenton Johnston, TCU
WR Tyler Scott, Cincinnati
DT Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh
DT Mazi Smith, Michigan
DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
DE Keoin White, Georgia Tech

Again, all things being equal.

These are some guys I've waffled on as a good pick at 31, wanted to know your thoughts.

In this scenario, I take WR Quenton Johnston, TCU hands down. It is frustrating because we have sooooo many other needs but man, what a player.

[Chris Meck]

Surprises all over the place.

Every mock I see, every mock machine draft I run, has guys like three rounds different all over the draft.

I don't know what the **** to think. First rounder here, fourth rounder over there. What the ****?

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Surprises all over the place.

Every mock I see, every mock machine draft I run, has guys like three rounds different all over the draft.

I don't know what the **** to think. First rounder here, fourth rounder over there. What the ****?

Let me ask you the same question.

All things being equal, knowing that we can't know who is on the board at 31, grade the following hypothetical draft picks the Chiefs hypothetically make at 31:

RB Devon Achane, Texas A&M
WR Quenton Johnston, TCU
WR Tyler Scott, Cincinnati
DT Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh
DT Mazi Smith, Michigan
DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
DE Keoin White, Georgia Tech

Again, all things being equal.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Let me ask you the same question.

All things being equal, knowing that we can't know who is on the board at 31, grade the following hypothetical draft picks the Chiefs hypothetically make at 31:

RB Devon Achane, Texas A&M
WR Quenton Johnston, TCU
WR Tyler Scott, Cincinnati
DT Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh
DT Mazi Smith, Michigan
DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
DE Keoin White, Georgia Tech

Again, all things being equal.

I have literally no idea anymore. Every different outlet has a totally different board. It's like none of these players are the same guys.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I have literally no idea anymore. Every different outlet has a totally different board. It's like none of these players are the same guys.

Was just asking your estimation, if you had a take on any of these guys.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Was just asking your estimation, if you had a take on any of these guys.

Well, I was starting to feel like I did, but in the last week or so, every scouting report I read on almost every player that is a possibility is so completely different that it doesn't seem they're talking about the same guy at all even.

And guys are mocked three rounds different from place to place.

There's always some variance but it really seems like this year in particular nobody knows what the **** to think about anybody.

I run mocks, I kind of look at positions I'd like to improve at for KC, and read various scouting reports on guys, and then go watch some video, and kind of come to an opinion of my own. But right now, I can't get past step two of that process because reports are so all over the place.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I have literally no idea anymore. Every different outlet has a totally different board. It's like none of these players are the same guys.

That's the first time I've seen Jaxon Smith-Njigba that low, at least in relation to the other WRs.

Brugler seems to see a pretty soft WR class.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Surprises all over the place.

Every mock I see, every mock machine draft I run, has guys like three rounds different all over the draft.

I don't know what the **** to think. First rounder here, fourth rounder over there. What the ****?

I'll also just mention, this is the farthest down a respectable draft board I've seen Andre Carter, by like 50 slots.

A 6'7" monster with plus athleticism, great work ethic, and maximal coachability? At 88?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'll also just mention, this is the farthest down a respectable draft board I've seen Andre Carter, by like 50 slots.

A 6'7" monster with plus athleticism, great work ethic, and maximal coachability? At 88?

Is Mazi Smith a mid first rounder or a fourth rounder? Is Foskey a mid first rounder or a third rounder? Carter? Anton Harrison? I mean what the actual ****?

I felt like I was starting to get a handle on general value, but the last week or so I think I'm in the Twilight Zone.