Our defensive front four ...

KC Jones · 09-28-2004, 09:17 AM

I think our defensive line has played pretty damn well so far this year. One only has to look at the tackles for losses and QB pressures to see evidence of this. If a weakness exists on this unit it has been the play at DE, and I heard DA this morning make a salient point on that very topic. It is his opinion (and one I'm inclined to agree with) that our starting DEs lack the athleticism to contain even a modestly mobile QB. He thinks this information has pretty much become a blueprint for attacking the Chiefs - roll out your QB because you can get him outside of the DEs and eliminate the push from Dalton/Sims/Siavii/Browning inside.

DA's solution was a starting front four of Browning, Sims, Dalton, and Allen. Browning has always been a very athletic guy and was originally drafted to play DE. He's been moved between the two positions and spent more time at DT more because of injuries and lack of talent than enything else. While Allen is raw and needs to learn alot about getting untangled from the OT - he's shown the speed that would be a factor in helping to contain bootlegs and rollouts.

Now if we can just get a stud MLB and a top notch CB this defensive line might actually be something to build on.

Hoover · 09-28-2004, 09:19 AM

The biggest weakness in Barber at OLB IMO. I thought the D looked good overall on Sunday, I like the 4-4 Defense

ChiefsFanatic · 09-28-2004, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Jones

I think our defensive line has played pretty damn well so far this year. One only has to look at the tackles for losses and QB pressures to see evidence of this. If a weakness exists on this unit it has been the play at DE, and I heard DA this morning make a salient point on that very topic. It is his opinion (and one I'm inclined to agree with) that our starting DEs lack the athleticism to contain even a modestly mobile QB. He thinks this information has pretty much become a blueprint for attacking the Chiefs - roll out your QB because you can get him outside of the DEs and eliminate the push from Dalton/Sims/Siavii/Browning inside.

DA's solution was a starting front four of Browning, Sims, Dalton, and Allen. Browning has always been a very athletic guy and was originally drafted to play DE. He's been moved between the two positions and spent more time at DT more because of injuries and lack of talent than enything else. While Allen is raw and needs to learn alot about getting untangled from the OT - he's shown the speed that would be a factor in helping to contain bootlegs and rollouts.

Now if we can just get a stud MLB and a top notch CB this defensive line might actually be something to build on.

This might piss some people off, but say if we could get just a decent MLB. Our linebacker play has to be some of the worst in the league. Everyone will say how many tackles Beisel has, but someone has to get the tackles. He just does not make plays.

Fujita seems to have been more suited to the read and react. Maybe he would be better at MLB. (I thought Fujita was great last year, but this year he really never seems to be around the ball, and only makes a play when blitzing.)

It seems like luck any time Barber makes a play. It is usually because the play runs him over.

Gaz · 09-28-2004, 09:26 AM

Personally, I am more concerned about MLB than OLB, but that is why BBs are so interesting.

I agree that our DEs are no great shakes. Hicks had a good season under Gunther, but perhaps time has passed him by. I like Allen, but he is young and will make lots of rookie mistakes. Is a quick rookie better than a slower veteran? Do you go with the bigger upside or the smaller downside?

Browning needs to stay at DE. Good position for him.

All things considered, I have been quite pleased with the progress shown by the Defense in only [3] games. I am still cranky with Gunther for rushing [3] Linemen last week, leading to the Houston FG, but on the whole, progress is being made. They are still going to give up some long plays that have me screaming at the TV, but I will try and cultivate some more patience and understanding.

xoxo~
Gaz
Thinks the R&G might have a solidly average D by mid-season.

**Tribal Warfare** · 09-28-2004, 09:26 AM

The linebacking corps are weak in general.

blsilks · 09-28-2004, 09:26 AM

We need some speedy gang bangers in there at linebacker. You know the mean kind who got the bling bling. They usually end up making for a good player on the field and a troubled player off the field. We need some more of this off field scandle stuff.

Example: Warfield gets busted for DD and then comes out and gets an interception and saves a TD. We need some more off field controversy for Warfield. Maybe get Priest Holmes involved in some kind of prostitution circle. Just an idea.

KCTitus · 09-28-2004, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Personally, I am more concerned about MLB...

me too...I wanted KC to draft one this last draft. They need a monster in the middle.

KC Jones · 09-28-2004, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by blsilks

We need some speedy gang bangers in there at linebacker. You know the mean kind who got the bling bling. They usually end up making for a good player on the field and a troubled player off the field. We need some more of this off field scandle stuff.

Example: Warfield gets busted for DD and then comes out and gets an interception and saves a TD. We need some more off field controversy for Warfield. Maybe get Priest Holmes involved in some kind of prostitution circle. Just an idea.

It's hard for me to believe your not a troll.

ChiefsFanatic · 09-28-2004, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Personally, I am more concerned about MLB than OLB, but that is why BBs are so interesting.

I agree that our DEs are no great shakes. Hicks had a good season under Gunther, but perhaps time has passed him by. I like Allen, but he is young and will make lots of rookie mistakes. Is a quick rookie better than a slower veteran? Do you go with the bigger upside or the smaller downside?

Browning needs to stay at DE. Good position for him.

All things considered, I have been quite pleased with the progress shown by the Defense in only [3] games. I am still cranky with Gunther for rushing [3] Linemen last week, leading to the Houston FG, but on the whole, progress is being made. They are still going to give up some long plays that have me screaming at the TV, but I will try and cultivate some more patience and understanding.

xoxo~
Gaz
Thinks the R&G might have a solidly average D by mid-season.

If we play Allen at end, that would probably mean that Sims would get benched. Browning is probably the best d-lineman, so he would slide back over to tackle, and Dalton has clearly outplayed Sims.

I am OK with that, but DV would not be. He still needs to prove he was right in drafting Sims.

Chiefnj · 09-28-2004, 09:33 AM

I honestly thought that the return of Gunther was going to rejuvenate Hicks' career. I thought wrong.

If you try to get Browning and Allen at DE at the same time one will be playing a position I don't think either has played before (LDE). Browning could probably adapt faster but I don't know how he would handle it.

ChiefsFanatic · 09-28-2004, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

I honestly thought that the return of Gunther was going to rejuvenate Hicks' career. I thought wrong.

If you try to get Browning and Allen at DE at the same time one will be playing a position I don't think either has played before (LDE). Browning could probably adapt faster but I don't know how he would handle it.

I think Browning worked so well at tackle because he is physically stronger than most. His weakness at DE is speed, and how sad is it that a slow DT is better at DE than Holliday. Pretty sad.

LDE would be better for Browning in this scenario because the speed rusher is better coming at the QB's blind side.

Gaz · 09-28-2004, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

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I am OK with that, but DV would not be. He still needs to prove he was right in drafting Sims.

I think that statement is nonsense.

xoxo~
Gaz
Sees this crap all the time.

Gaz · 09-28-2004, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

I honestly thought that the return of Gunther was going to rejuvenate Hicks' career. I thought wrong...

Me, too.

xoxo~
Gaz
Struck out again.

Frosty · 09-28-2004, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Dalton has clearly outplayed Sims.

I think Dalton has played well because of Sims. Sims gets doubled and Dalton takes advantage of it, something none of the other DTs have been able to do. When Junior is in there instead of Sims, Dalton hasn't been able to make the plays.

ChiefsFanatic · 09-28-2004, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

I think that statement is nonsense.

xoxo~
Gaz
Sees this crap all the time.

I am sorry. Sims sucks. But DV calls out LJ, even though LJ has never had a chance to reveal whether or not he sucks. Sims was the 6th pick in the draft, we moved up to get him, and he would still be a disappointment if he had been a second round pick.

Maybe he will turn into a star, and I would love it if he did, but he is marginally the 3rd or 4th best DT on this team, yet he is starting.

Why?

09-28-2004, 09:17 AM
KC Jones Genious Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $10012761	Our defensive front four ... I think our defensive line has played pretty damn well so far this year. One only has to look at the tackles for losses and QB pressures to see evidence of this. If a weakness exists on this unit it has been the play at DE, and I heard DA this morning make a salient point on that very topic. It is his opinion (and one I'm inclined to agree with) that our starting DEs lack the athleticism to contain even a modestly mobile QB. He thinks this information has pretty much become a blueprint for attacking the Chiefs - roll out your QB because you can get him outside of the DEs and eliminate the push from Dalton/Sims/Siavii/Browning inside. DA's solution was a starting front four of Browning, Sims, Dalton, and Allen. Browning has always been a very athletic guy and was originally drafted to play DE. He's been moved between the two positions and spent more time at DT more because of injuries and lack of talent than enything else. While Allen is raw and needs to learn alot about getting untangled from the OT - he's shown the speed that would be a factor in helping to contain bootlegs and rollouts. Now if we can just get a stud MLB and a top notch CB this defensive line might actually be something to build on.
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09-28-2004, 09:19 AM	#2
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09-28-2004, 09:26 AM	#4
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Improvement all around... Personally, I am more concerned about MLB than OLB, but that is why BBs are so interesting. I agree that our DEs are no great shakes. Hicks had a good season under Gunther, but perhaps time has passed him by. I like Allen, but he is young and will make lots of rookie mistakes. Is a quick rookie better than a slower veteran? Do you go with the bigger upside or the smaller downside? Browning needs to stay at DE. Good position for him. All things considered, I have been quite pleased with the progress shown by the Defense in only [3] games. I am still cranky with Gunther for rushing [3] Linemen last week, leading to the Houston FG, but on the whole, progress is being made. They are still going to give up some long plays that have me screaming at the TV, but I will try and cultivate some more patience and understanding. xoxo~ Gaz Thinks the R&G might have a solidly average D by mid-season.
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blsilks Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: na Casino cash: $10005010	We need some speedy gang bangers in there at linebacker. You know the mean kind who got the bling bling. They usually end up making for a good player on the field and a troubled player off the field. We need some more of this off field scandle stuff. Example: Warfield gets busted for DD and then comes out and gets an interception and saves a TD. We need some more off field controversy for Warfield. Maybe get Priest Holmes involved in some kind of prostitution circle. Just an idea.
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Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	I honestly thought that the return of Gunther was going to rejuvenate Hicks' career. I thought wrong. If you try to get Browning and Allen at DE at the same time one will be playing a position I don't think either has played before (LDE). Browning could probably adapt faster but I don't know how he would handle it. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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