Patrick Mahomes isn't "broken" you ****ing dorks

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by carcosa

50 doesn't magically become "absolute shit" just because a guy is capable of 80. It's literally average, which means you can't say he's broken or absolute shit or any of that. You can say it's disappointing considering what he's capable of, but it is not enough to start making ****ing mental diagnoses.

"We will see" if Patrick Mahomes can bounce back from the first back-to-back bad games of his career!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's hard to say for sure but "we will see"! !!! ! ! ! ! !

His average grade since coming into the league was over 77 for 3 straight years. So I don't think we can apply the same logic with him as typical QB's. Four straight games of 50 or lower is terrible by his standards.

[carcosa]

Originally Posted by DRM08

His average grade since coming into the league was over 77 for 3 straight years. So I don't think we can apply the same logic with him as typical QB's. Four straight games of 50 or lower is terrible by his standards.

Okay but again that's not "terrible" by any objective standard, which takes us back to the absurd language people are using. "Underwhelming" is different than "terrible." He has had 4 great games (2-2 thanks to horrible turnover luck), 2 average/underwhelming games (1-1 including an excellent half in Washington and a loss that Daniel Sorenson alone should take more blame than Mahomes for), and 2 bad games (one of which he won because he's not "broken" and therefore didn't panic when it counted). That's it. There's nothing deeper to it than that. My argument is that he deserves a much longer leash than some people are giving him considering what he's capable of. I don't see how that's controversial to anyone who isn't weirdly insistent on shitting all over the best player in franchise history.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by carcosa

Okay but again that's not "terrible" by any objective standard, which takes us back to the absurd language people are using. "Underwhelming" is different than "terrible." He has had 4 great games (2-2 thanks to horrible turnover luck), 2 average/underwhelming games (1-1 including an excellent half in Washington and a loss that Daniel Sorenson alone should take more blame than Mahomes for), and 2 bad games (one of which he won because he's not "broken" and therefore didn't panic when it counted). That's it. There's nothing deeper to it than that. My argument is that he deserves a much longer leash than some people are giving him considering what he's capable of. I don't see how that's controversial to anyone who isn't weirdly insistent on shitting all over the best player in franchise history.

He has more INTs than Trevor Lawrence, that's not great.

[carcosa]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He has more INTs than Trevor Lawrence, that's not great.

And yet he actually has fewer turnover worthy plays. That points to bad luck as much as anything else. How much of this is "something wrong" and how much of it is outcome bias? I'd say it's 15/85 at most. We wouldn't be analyzing his mental state or moping about whether he's capable of turning it around if a few of those tipped passes and fumbles bounced our way.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He has more INTs than Trevor Lawrence, that's not great.

I think people using this to make that argument are being dishonest. How many of those Ints were on the receivers not catching the ball?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Lzen

I think people using this to make that argument are being dishonest. How many of those Ints were on the receivers not catching the ball?

Quite a few, sure, but it's not like that's been happening on throws where he drills the guy in the chest.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Quite a few, sure, but it's not like that's been happening on throws where he drills the guy in the chest.

Yes. He's throwing behind receivers. Some of the catches yesterday were much tougher than necessary.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by carcosa

Okay but again that's not "terrible" by any objective standard, which takes us back to the absurd language people are using. "Underwhelming" is different than "terrible." He has had 4 great games (2-2 thanks to horrible turnover luck), 2 average/underwhelming games (1-1 including an excellent half in Washington and a loss that Daniel Sorenson alone should take more blame than Mahomes for), and 2 bad games (one of which he won because he's not "broken" and therefore didn't panic when it counted). That's it. There's nothing deeper to it than that. My argument is that he deserves a much longer leash than some people are giving him considering what he's capable of. I don't see how that's controversial to anyone who isn't weirdly insistent on shitting all over the best player in franchise history.

You won't find a bigger fan of him than myself. But you know what they say about the NFL - Not For Long. People are not patient very long, especially these days.

[carcosa]

Originally Posted by DRM08

You won't find a bigger fan of him than myself. But you know what they say about the NFL - Not For Long. People are not patient very long, especially these days.

I guess what my argument boils down to is that Patrick Mahomes of all people deserves a little more ****ing patience. That's all.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by carcosa

I guess what my argument boils down to is that Patrick Mahomes of all people deserves a little more ****ing patience. That's all.

I get where you are coming from, but then again...pretty shocking development this past weekend in Fort Worth where TCU immediately fired their best coach ever even though he has a statue outside their stadium. Would think he deserved better treatment. Just a sign of the times.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by DRM08

You won't find a bigger fan of him than myself. But you know what they say about the NFL - Not For Long. People are not patient very long, especially these days.

You left out, "and people are generally stupid".