Chiefs Patrick Mahomes isn't "broken" you ****ing dorks - Page 24

carcosa · 11-01-2021, 10:14 PM

"broken" "abomination" "Rick Ankiel"

These are all words that people used to describe Patrick ****ing Mahomes tonight. I mean, are you listening to yourselves? Rick ****ING Ankiel?????

Look, I'm not going to pretend like he's been himself all year. He's not seeing the field as well as usual, he's struggling to trust his OL and occasionally scrambling out of clean pockets, he's missing some throws, some of those turnovers have actually been his fault and not just the receivers being unable to hold onto the ****in ball.

But all the wannabe psychologists and family therapists on this site are driving me up a ****ing wall. You don't know what the **** is going on in his head and you don't know what affect his family life has on his play.

What you DO know, based on a 3 season sample size, is that he's the greatest QB through ~50 games in NFL history. You know that he's won multiple comeback playoff games, two AFC titles, and a Super Bowl. You even know (or at least you ****ing should, unless you've been too busy moaning to actually read anything), that by most metrics he's actually been pretty good overall this season. His "turnover worthy" plays are actually DOWN from past years. He's #4 in the league in touchdowns. His TD% is identical to last season and higher that 2019. Before Tennessee, which is easily the biggest outlier of his career including the other "bad" games this season, he was leading one of the most efficient offenses of all time in terms of points per drive — yes, better than 2018. I know it doesn't feel that way because so many guys on this team (including, yes, Patrick himself on a few occasions) can't hold onto the ****ing ball. But that's the ****ing truth.

If he were moping during press conferences or lashing out on social media, I might give a little bit more credence to the narrative that he's moments away from a nervous breakdown. Not very much, but a little bit. But he's not. He's being honest (almost to a fault) about his role in the team's struggles and projecting confidence that he can turn it around. What more can he possibly do to convince some of you losers to hold onto a bit of that confidence yourselves? Does he need to go back in time and miraculously heal Schwartz and Fisher and win that Super Bowl? Should he just commit seppuku at midfield? What do you want??

Patrick Mahomes is not broken. He's slumping. Every QB slumps occasionally. Not every QB calls having the 4th best QBR (64.1) and 6th best EPA (46.3, just above the dreaded Aaron Rodgers) a ****ing slump. Personally, even after 8 underwhelming-to-miserable games and a 4-4 record, I'm gonna give the kid a little more leeway before calling for him to be committed to the god damn psych ward. I think he's earned at least that much.

**dirk digler** · 11-07-2021, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

He is otherworldly out of the pocket, but mostly that’s when other things are going well, such as passing from the pocket with accurate darts to any part of the field that keeps defenses watching the receivers instead of Mahomes. He is an elite pocket passer and finds open receivers and holes as good as any when he’s reading the field. Right now he’s been bailing too soon, abandoning plays and routes, and allowing defenders to watch him which is why there are so many tipped INTs. Today he was better at staying in the pocket and surprise, no INTs.

I am not saying he can't make those throws but at least in previous seasons he didn't play in a traditional pocket. Alot of his "pocket" TD's were him drifting 10 yds + behind the OL and chucking it. Very few were him staying in a traditional pocket or stepping up. He stayed in the pocket today and it was his 2nd worst performance of the season. It isn't who he is.

Also have noticed at least last year 80% of the time down inside the 15 we ran designed roll outs very successfully. It has been a long season so far and don't know if we are doing that this year.

Maybe we should give defenses some credit and they definitely are defending him different.

**Bearcat** · 11-07-2021, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN

How can he play at that high of a level all the time? He took a breath. Had a kid. Lost a SB.

He will climb to the top again.

My wild guess is it's been the mental pressure and exhaustion, and that he's probably put a ton of the former on himself going into the season... hopefully with a couple of wins, even against the dumpster fire NYG and Rodgersless Packers, can help with calming the **** down and playing his game.

PAChiefsGuy · 11-07-2021, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

My wild guess is it's been the mental pressure and exhaustion, and that he's probably put a ton of the former on himself going into the season... hopefully with a couple of wins, even against the dumpster fire NYG and Rodgersless Packers, can help with calming the **** down and playing his game.

Mental pressure and exhaustion from playing a game for a living and getting paid well to do it. That's a bunch of bullshit.

Defensive coordinators have figured him out and he needs to adjust. Plain and simple.

**Bearcat** · 11-07-2021, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Mental pressure and exhaustion from playing a game for a living and getting paid well to do it. That's a bunch of bullshit.

Defensive coordinators have figured him out and he needs to adjust. Plain and simple.

Yay, this again.

Don't know what to tell ya... you're either trolling or have no concept of what it means to be passionate about something (much less passionate about being the greatest ever at that thing), even if that thing isn't open heart surgery.

I wouldn't watch sports if I didn't think at least some of the players gave a shit beyond a paycheck.... and just a wild guess, the guy running for 500 yards in the Super Bowl even after his team is down several scores is the one who gives a shit.

**Bearcat** · 11-07-2021, 08:48 PM

tredadda · 11-07-2021, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yay, this again.

Don't know what to tell ya... you're either trolling or have no concept of what it means to be passionate about something (much less passionate about being the greatest ever at that thing), even if that thing isn't open heart surgery.

I wouldn't watch sports if I didn't think at least some of the players gave a shit beyond a paycheck.... and just a wild guess, the guy running for 500 yards in the Super Bowl even after his team is down several scores is the one who gives a shit.

One thing I wonder with Mahomes is his bad performances could be compounding on him mentally. Think about it, from HS, college, and even his first three years no one has been able to slow him down. Sure he has been on teams with horrible defenses before, but he has always just balled out. Now he's had a couple of bad games and perhaps it's weighing on him and causing him to force things more.

**Baby Lee** · 11-07-2021, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I don't think the things that are wrong are injury or distraction [at least off-field distraction].

In a balance as delicate as this, the mere passing consideration of thinking about what you DON'T want to do can alter what you DO want to do.

That little bit of his mind thinking [stay in the pocket, don't drop too deep, this guy sucks, this guy has drops, don't lead this guy too much, lead that guy a little more] instead of acting can be just enough, particularly if it snowballs.

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Originally Posted by tredadda

One thing I wonder with Mahomes is his bad performances could be compounding on him mentally. Think about it, from HS, college, and even his first three years no one has been able to slow him down. Sure he has been on teams with horrible defenses before, but he has always just balled out. Now he's had a couple of bad games and perhaps it's weighing on him and causing him to force things more.

I think this is related, but tangential, to my point. I don't think he's off so much because of 'weight' of not succeeding, so much as his attentiveness to advice to correct his errors is interfering with his natural rhythm. Might label it backseat driver syndrome. The advice might be useful in itself, but the processing of advice interferes with normal processing.

**Bearcat** · 11-07-2021, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

One thing I wonder with Mahomes is his bad performances could be compounding on him mentally. Think about it, from HS, college, and even his first three years no one has been able to slow him down. Sure he has been on teams with horrible defenses before, but he has always just balled out. Now he's had a couple of bad games and perhaps it's weighing on him and causing him to force things more.

Yeah, I'm probably repeating myself to you from previous conversations, but I can 100% see someone as passionate as him going into the season on a mission after that SB loss.

I mean, Kelce literally said during the playoffs last year that all they were looking forward to all offseason after the SB win was to get back to that stage, and that every week of the season, he just wanted to get back to the SB... and that was one fan narrative during all the close games, was they were more or less going through the motion in several games.

So, you get your ass kicked in the Super Bowl and maybe the regular season means a lot more the following season (or just a lot)? Then after a comeback win, shit happens... and keeps happening..... and keeps happening.

And you go through the basic phases of putting more pressure on yourself, forcing things, okay going back to basics.... and bad shit keeps happening.

And it's just as much of a guess as other narratives, but seems that way in his body language and in the frustrations of him and Kelce in particular.... they're definitely not relaxed and having fun.

**Bearcat** · 11-07-2021, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I think this is related, but tangential, to my point. I don't think he's off so much because of 'weight' of not succeeding, so much as his attentiveness to advice to correct his errors is interfering with his natural rhythm. Might label it backseat driver syndrome. The advice might be useful in itself, but the processing of advice interferes with normal processing.

Yeah, to the point of your first post... a difference in "being in the zone" and getting out of your head about it.

I played a season of dodge ball a few years ago and totally get it.

**Baby Lee** · 11-07-2021, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, to the point of your first post... a difference in "being in the zone" and getting out of your head about it.

I played a season of dodge ball a few years ago and totally get it.

Please don't try to make Patrick dodge a wrench. . .

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carcosa · 11-14-2021, 07:50 PM

SNEED ****IN RULES

oops uhhhh wrong thread lol

chiefzilla1501 · 11-14-2021, 08:14 PM

You can understand how hard it is to be patient when you're team can't stop shooting themselves in the foot. A beautiful momentum builder. Terrific drive, excellent defensive stand, and then a ****ing special teamer fumbles it. Total momentum swing. Can't make this shit up. How can a qb trust that a patient approach will work?

**Bearcat** · 11-14-2021, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You can understand how hard it is to be patient when you're team can't stop shooting themselves in the foot. A beautiful momentum builder. Terrific drive, excellent defensive stand, and then a ****ing special teamer fumbles it. Total momentum swing. Can't make this shit up. How can a qb trust that a patient approach will work?

And the thing is that it just.... keeps... ****ing... happening. The number of picks that have been off the hands or bounced of a helmet. The complete defensive breakdowns, offensive and special teams fumbles, etc.

I've seen Mahomes' face plenty of times and can totally relate to the lunacy.

carcosa · 11-14-2021, 08:32 PM

He's looking pretty good so far imo

chiefzilla1501 · 11-14-2021, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

And the thing is that it just.... keeps... ****ing... happening. The number of picks that have been off the hands or bounced of a helmet. The complete defensive breakdowns, offensive and special teams fumbles, etc.

I've seen Mahomes' face plenty of times and can totally relate to the lunacy.

What feels different about today is that he didn't panic when it happened. Maybe he has more confidence in the defense. It feels like after a dumb mistake by a teammate that's when he starts to press.

11-01-2021, 10:14 PM
carcosa Thank you Join Date: May 2014 Casino cash: $-666305	Patrick Mahomes isn't "broken" you ing dorks "broken" "abomination" "Rick Ankiel" These are all words that people used to describe Patrick **ing Mahomes tonight. I mean, are you listening to yourselves? Rick ING Ankiel????? Look, I'm not going to pretend like he's been himself all year. He's not seeing the field as well as usual, he's struggling to trust his OL and occasionally scrambling out of clean pockets, he's missing some throws, some of those turnovers have actually been his fault and not just the receivers being unable to hold onto the in ball. But all the wannabe psychologists and family therapists on this site are driving me up a ing wall. You don't know what the is going on in his head and you don't know what affect his family life has on his play. What you DO know, based on a 3 season sample size, is that he's the greatest QB through ~50 games in NFL history. You know that he's won multiple comeback playoff games, two AFC titles, and a Super Bowl. You even know (or at least you ing should, unless you've been too busy moaning to actually read anything), that by most metrics he's actually been pretty good overall this season. His "turnover worthy" plays are actually DOWN from past years. He's #4 in the league in touchdowns. His TD% is identical to last season and higher that 2019. Before Tennessee, which is easily the biggest outlier of his career including the other "bad" games this season, he was leading one of the most efficient offenses of all time in terms of points per drive — yes, better than 2018. I know it doesn't feel that way because so many guys on this team (including, yes, Patrick himself on a few occasions) can't hold onto the ing ball. But that's the ing truth. If he were moping during press conferences or lashing out on social media, I might give a little bit more credence to the narrative that he's moments away from a nervous breakdown. Not very much, but a little bit. But he's not. He's being honest (almost to a fault) about his role in the team's struggles and projecting confidence that he can turn it around. What more can he possibly do to convince some of you losers to hold onto a bit of that confidence yourselves? Does he need to go back in time and miraculously heal Schwartz and Fisher and win that Super Bowl? Should he just commit seppuku at midfield? What do you want?? Patrick Mahomes is not broken. He's slumping. Every QB slumps occasionally. Not every QB calls having the 4th best QBR (64.1) and 6th best EPA (46.3, just above the dreaded Aaron Rodgers) a **ing slump. Personally, even after 8 underwhelming-to-miserable games and a 4-4 record, I'm gonna give the kid a little more leeway before calling for him to be committed to the god damn psych ward. I think he's earned at least that much.
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