Post here if you were an idiot who thought we needed to run the ball more.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I'm rather surprised to see you say this because analysis shows this to be incorrect. There is no correlation between how many times you run it and how effective PA is statistically.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...action-passing

I don't think that study says exactly what you think it says, and it partially proves my point-success running the ball doesn't really matter all that much in relation to play-action passing. But you still have to do it some. You have to make the defense honor that fact that you MIGHT run the ball.

The study shows that teams that rarely ran the ball ( not at all in the previous 8-10 plays) were less successful in play-action passing.

So the 'never run the ball ever, just throw' crowd are missing the point too.

What that study is looking at is how effective running games are in relation to play-action passing, and how much do you have to run? The answers are: you don't have to be great at it, but you do have to do it enough to be a threat to do it.

That's totally in line with what I've been saying. Other people may have been wanting to go full on Barry Word style Martyball, but that's not me, unless you're talking about eating clock late in the game sitting on a large lead.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I don't think that study says exactly what you think it says, and it partially proves my point-success running the ball doesn't really matter all that much in relation to play-action passing. But you still have to do it some. You have to make the defense honor that fact that you MIGHT run the ball.

The study shows that teams that rarely ran the ball ( not at all in the previous 8-10 plays) were less successful in play-action passing.

So the 'never run the ball ever, just throw' crowd are missing the point too.

What that study is looking at is how effective running games are in relation to play-action passing, and how much do you have to run? The answers are: you don't have to be great at it, but you do have to do it enough to be a threat to do it.

That's totally in line with what I've been saying. Other people may have been wanting to go full on Barry Word style Martyball, but that's not me, unless you're talking about eating clock late in the game sitting on a large lead.

The main takeaway from the article is that neither frequency of running the ball nor effectiveness impact PA passing success which is absolutely what you claimed earlier. Its simply not true.

KC has had the most prolific offense in football for 3+ years while running it around 25-30% of the time.

The idea this needs to change is insane.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

The main takeaway from the article is that neither frequency of running the ball nor effectiveness impact PA passing success which is absolutely what you claimed earlier. Its simply not true.

KC has had the most prolific offense in football for 3+ years while running it around 25-30% of the time.

The idea this needs to change is insane.

I would've hoped beating Wallcrawler and the rest of the crew over the head with this 2 years ago would've had some effect. Evidently not.

It's really not open for discussion to anyone that's bothered to dig into it. There may be some unique team by team examples where there could be some larger, more direct relationship, but the Chiefs and their mediocre RBs and damn effective pass-catchers most assuredly wouldn't be one of them.

This team is NOT going to scare teams into cheating run. They'll continue to run enough to get that same hesitancy over 15 carries that they'd get over 30 and they'll continue to use the underneath passing game to set up the deep passing game. Why? Because Andy Reid is smart and it's the smart thing to do.

Oh, and for the 'why weren't we throwing underneath the last 5 weeks?!?!?' crowd - please go look at Mahomes passing charts via nextgen stats. We were.

He was slumping guys, he was missing shots, clutching and hesitating on makeable windows and feeling phantom pressure. That's all there is to this.

Keep firing, Patrick. Go be you - the baddest mother****er on the planet.