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[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Here's where I am.

Would I rather have Sneed at $18 million or Creed at $18 million?

Gimme Sneed. Buuuuuuut - I have zero concerns about Creed's availability or how he'll age. In fact, I'm bummed out that all we got was 4 years on the Creed deal (my god, if you're giving him that much money, how do you not get a 5th year out of it?).

Creed's gonna age really nicely and he's always available. Sneed is...not. He's not always available and he's not gonna age well.

So if I thought I'd get 2023 Sneed again in 2024, I'd rather have kept him than extend Creed. Ultimately I just don't know that I am.

What I really wish we had was Joey Porter Jr. playing CB2 for us instead of FAU at DE5.

I think we’d all agree there in hindsight but man one thing that I can’t understand is how bent outta shape some — especially on socials — get about a missed pick like FAU.

If we’re using the same criteria to eval other picks — whether they flash special talent or not — hell, it’s looking like we picked up a long term LT, a game changing WR, and a star in the making at S in this draft class alone.

Can’t win ‘em all, but KC is drafting as good as anybody in the league right now especially when you weight it against draft position.

Thats just the overall organizational synergy coming out. Everything is clicking from scouts to coaches to players, and it’s allowing a lot of guys to reach their ceilings IMO.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I think we’d all agree there in hindsight but man one thing that I can’t understand is how bent outta shape some — especially on socials — get about a missed pick like FAU.

If we’re using the same criteria to eval other picks — whether they flash special talent or not — hell, it’s looking like we picked up a long term LT, a game changing WR, and a star in the making at S in this draft class alone.

Can’t win ‘em all, but KC is drafting as good as anybody in the league right now especially when you weight it against draft position.

Thats just the overall organizational synergy coming out. Everything is clicking from scouts to coaches to players, and it’s allowing a lot of guys to reach their ceilings IMO.

When your qb is making what ours does along with what else we pay, missing on a first round pick is pretty tough.

This regime is good enough to make up for it so it won’t be a huge deal to be honest as they’ll hit on someone else

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

When your qb is making what ours does along with what else we pay, missing on a first round pick is pretty tough.

This regime is good enough to make up for it so it won’t be a huge deal to be honest as they’ll hit on someone else

We make up for a relatively mundane hit rate in the 1st round by pretty pretty damn outstanding in the middle and late rounds. So that's something.

But boy, you'd like to see those 1sts be a little more impactful. McDuffie and GK cure a lot of ills. And Worthy can as well. About a 50% hit rate is...fine.

But it does seem strange that a team that does so well in the middle/back of the draft seems to be pretty ordinary (not bad, just ordinary) with its earliest picks.

It makes me wonder if they don't focus more on need with that first pick than they do everywhere else. And if that doesn't give them a bit of a handicap making those picks.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We make up for a relatively mundane hit rate in the 1st round by pretty pretty damn outstanding in the middle and late rounds. So that's something.

But boy, you'd like to see those 1sts be a little more impactful. McDuffie and GK cure a lot of ills. And Worthy can as well. About a 50% hit rate is...fine.

But it does seem strange that a team that does so well in the middle/back of the draft seems to be pretty ordinary (not bad, just ordinary) with its earliest picks.

It makes me wonder if they don't focus more on need with that first pick than they do everywhere else. And if that doesn't give them a bit of a handicap making those picks.

I don't think its strange at all. Part of it is simply where we are drafting paired with what our team needs are. When you are drafting late, like last in the first round and your needs are DE, you are going to assume some risk in drafting one at that spot. There is just no way around it.

But this 50% hit rate stuff is bull shit.

Since 2017 when we traded up to draft Mahomes, we have only had 5 picks. We hit on McDuffie and Karlaftis, and feel great about Worthey. FDU is a giant question mark, but again, we took a shot at filling our greatest need at a Primier position. Would you feel better if we had drafted a guard, linebacker, or WR? Maybe, but we would have an epic hole at DE. FDU gets this season to show us wether or not he was a bad pick.

The CEH pick is the one that was just straight up awful. That is the pick, that still hurts us today, especially due to the position he plays. Giant ****ing waste of a pick and I still can't believe we brought him back. Honestly if we just took any of the dudes who went in round 2 we would be miles ahead. Its easy to say, can you imagine Tee Higgins, Pittman on this roster, but really anyone in round two would have been a massive improvement.

I think our years with no first round pick, 2018, 2019, and 2021 really messes with peoples perception of the Chiefs 1st round success. The second round is a crap shoot, just because Hardman was our top draft pick doesn't mean he should be a can't miss prospect.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by O.city

When your qb is making what ours does along with what else we pay, missing on a first round pick is pretty tough.

This regime is good enough to make up for it so it won’t be a huge deal to be honest as they’ll hit on someone else

Shrug. Don’t know what to tell ya, man. Veach is going to have some first round misses.

If that’s “pretty tough” for you you’re going to have to deal with it.

No hitter in baseball bats 1.000 and neither does any GM in sports

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I think we’d all agree there in hindsight but man one thing that I can’t understand is how bent outta shape some — especially on socials — get about a missed pick like FAU.

If we’re using the same criteria to eval other picks — whether they flash special talent or not — hell, it’s looking like we picked up a long term LT, a game changing WR, and a star in the making at S in this draft class alone.

Can’t win ‘em all, but KC is drafting as good as anybody in the league right now especially when you weight it against draft position.

Thats just the overall organizational synergy coming out. Everything is clicking from scouts to coaches to players, and it’s allowing a lot of guys to reach their ceilings IMO.

Spot on, even if FAU busts, it doesn't change how amazing Veach has been. People need to try and remember how things used to be, where pretty much anyone picked beyond the 3rd round was basically camp fodder for this organization.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Spot on, even if FAU busts, it doesn't change how amazing Veach has been. People need to try and remember how things used to be, where pretty much anyone picked beyond the 3rd round was basically camp fodder for this organization.

Oh sure.

But it's like saying "Man, Mahomes really needs to get more loft on his deep passes" early in his career.

Because Mahomes left some meat on the bones with the deep ball early in his career. It wasn't an indictment - merely a curiosity. And he's gotten better with those throws as he's gotten more experience (though his weapons have fallen off a fair bit in the interim prior to this year).

You just wanna figure out the why of it in the hopes you can get that weakness covered off a bit.