Call Your Shot: Who will be the Chiefs first pick in the 2025 NFL draft?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Taylor was a better runner coming out than Henderson.

Yeah -- I think Breece Hall may be more of a comp?

Was taken around pick 35, IIRC. Very early 2nd. More of an explosive offensive weapon type than a pure 'conventional' 3-down back.

And yeah, I think if you take a RB in the 1st, I don't think that's an unreasonable baseline for him.

Hall put up essentially 1,000 yards rushing and 600 yards receiving in 2023 behind a solid but unspectacular OL (and with obvious QB questions). Did roughly the same rates on lower usage in 2024.

I think you can reasonably ask for 1,500-1,600 yards from scrimmage and 275ish touches (rushing and receiving) from a 1st round RB.

And if you don't think he can give you that, or that you won't ASK him to give you that, you probably shouldn't be looking at Henderson in the 1st.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah -- I think Breece Hall may be more of a comp?

Was taken around pick 35, IIRC. Very early 2nd. More of an explosive offensive weapon type than a pure 'conventional' 3-down back.

And yeah, I think if you take a RB in the 1st, I don't think that's an unreasonable baseline for him.

Hall put up essentially 1,000 yards rushing and 600 yards receiving in 2023 behind a solid but unspectacular OL (and with obvious QB questions). Did roughly the same rates on lower usage in 2024.

I think you can reasonably ask for 1,500-1,600 yards from scrimmage and 275ish touches (rushing and receiving) from a 1st round RB.

And if you don't think he can give you that, or that you won't ASK him to give you that, you probably shouldn't be looking at Henderson in the 1st.

And by the way, if you want that TYPE of player, but don't want that level of volume, could I interest you in DJ Giddens?

I think if you're looking for a guy who just does McKinnon stuff but who you have no realistic expectation of giving 200+ carries to, just get Giddens in the 4th round.

Not because I think he is incapable of taking on about the same load as Henderson (he's not a tiny guy), but because your investment in him is so much less that you won't feel compelled to force said volume to justify the investment.

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And by the way, if you want that TYPE of player, but don't want that level of volume, could I interest you in DJ Giddens?

I think if you're looking for a guy who just does McKinnon stuff but who you have no realistic expectation of giving 200+ carries to, just get Giddens in the 4th round.

Not because I think he is incapable of taking on about the same load as Henderson (he's not a tiny guy), but because your investment in him is so much less that you won't feel compelled to force said volume to justify the investment.

My only qualm with Gidden's is he's a similar player to Pop.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Warpaint69

My only qualm with Gidden's is he's a similar player to Pop. They tested very similarly and they both don't have that change of direction quick twich/burst.

My issue with Pop isn't the change of direction.

Hunt's wasn't spectacular.

It's the vision. Hunt was able to set up a block then hit a gap hard to get through, absorb a bit of contact and maintain his momentum while fighting for yards.

Pop just...doesn't see the hole. Or won't bother to set up a block.

Giddens seems better in that regard. If you average out the speed/vision of Pop and Hunt, you probably end up with something similar to Giddens. He won't have the vision of Hunt, but it'll be better than Pop. He'll be faster than Hunt but maybe won't carry quite the same load that Pacheco does.

The issue with Hunt and Pacheco is that both guys are so deficient in a single area (Pacheco's vision and Hunts burst) that neither guy presents a viable starting RB, IMO. Giddens doesn't have the glaring deficiencies in either of those areas.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah -- I think Breece Hall may be more of a comp?

Was taken around pick 35, IIRC. Very early 2nd. More of an explosive offensive weapon type than a pure 'conventional' 3-down back.

And yeah, I think if you take a RB in the 1st, I don't think that's an unreasonable baseline for him.

Hall put up essentially 1,000 yards rushing and 600 yards receiving in 2023 behind a solid but unspectacular OL (and with obvious QB questions). Did roughly the same rates on lower usage in 2024.

I think you can reasonably ask for 1,500-1,600 yards from scrimmage and 275ish touches (rushing and receiving) from a 1st round RB.

And if you don't think he can give you that, or that you won't ASK him to give you that, you probably shouldn't be looking at Henderson in the 1st.

Kareem Hunt was asked to do more or less that in 2017 and 2018 before he got the boot for being a reerun. So Reid will give the right guy that workload.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah -- I think Breece Hall may be more of a comp?

Was taken around pick 35, IIRC. Very early 2nd. More of an explosive offensive weapon type than a pure 'conventional' 3-down back.

And yeah, I think if you take a RB in the 1st, I don't think that's an unreasonable baseline for him.

Hall put up essentially 1,000 yards rushing and 600 yards receiving in 2023 behind a solid but unspectacular OL (and with obvious QB questions). Did roughly the same rates on lower usage in 2024.

I think you can reasonably ask for 1,500-1,600 yards from scrimmage and 275ish touches (rushing and receiving) from a 1st round RB.

And if you don't think he can give you that, or that you won't ASK him to give you that, you probably shouldn't be looking at Henderson in the 1st.

I think the Breece comp makes sense as far as usage but quality or skill overall I think Etienne is where I see Henderson.