Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yikes re: the double graft.

Yeah -- I read it and didn't say anything.

A) My analysis is just a little too layperson there. It's what I took from it but...well I'm just a guy.

B) It felt like piling on and maybe some confirmation bias.

So ultimately I got to "Well this makes me feel worse but I can't live on it so I'll let it go..."

But if someone's gonna say it makes things obviously BETTER -- well they'd better be able to support that past "Well Simmons said so..."

Because the most positive reading I could possibly give it was that it's just...there. It doesn't make things better or worse.

[Simple Simon]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Nobody considers #31 as a first rounder.

Nobody.

Dangling #31 for a premier left tackle?

Nobody's taking that trade.

There are 6 teams in the first seven picks that need a QB. The only LT worth making a trade like that for is Will Campbell. He's the one legit, blue chipper. After that, maybe Membou.

The only trade that might make sense for both teams is Giants and Chiefs trade first round picks, and the Giants also get the Chiefs 2nd round pick, and conditional picks in 2026.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

You're still kinda just hoping. Historical data says no way, Jose.

Yep. And emphatically so, at that.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I really hope Simmons goes early so we have no shot of having to discuss his injury for the next several months to years.

Hope so also.

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

I want zero part of Simmons.

This is where I at!

[ROYC75]

Rumors are Ravens want an OT.

[Balto]

Hahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahaha. Funny shit!

[RealSNR]

"Whatever possible" ended up being too high a price, man.

[Sassy Squatch]

Technically we traded for him

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

"Whatever possible" ended up being too high a price, man.

We get it. You don’t like the pick Granted it is a gamble, but nobody else has the potential upside he has.

When we seat at the end of the round every year, you got to take some chances.

[ForeverChiefs58]

It’s worth noting: Josh Simmons is first OT Chiefs have drafted in first round since drafting Eric Fisher with first overall pick in 2013. That’s crazy!

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

It’s worth noting: Josh Simmons is first OT Chiefs have drafted in first round since drafting Eric Fisher with first overall pick in 2013. That’s crazy!

My guess would be not spending high draft picks on two of the most important positions in football would explain our lack of post season success until recently.

Just a thought. Perhaps we should have at least tried to fill the QB and LT positions.

[RunKC]

Saw something eye opening from a redditor that compiled PFF stats.

In all 5 of Patrick Mahomes Super Bowls, he was pressured in the top 15 of all Super Bowls ever. He was pressured the 1st, 3rd, 9th, 14th and 15th in SB history.

“Every Super Bowl Mahomes has played in he has been pressured 40.7% of the time or more. That's more than 5 points higher than the average pressure rate of 35.1%. Of the 7 quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl appearances, he is by far the most pressured on average.”

Only 2 QB’s have ever won facing among the 10 most pressures in a SB: Eli Manning and Patrick Mahomes. Eli is only on this list bc the Patriots and Giants are both top 10 in pressure from that game and somebody had to win.

The bottom line here is that Mahomes does create some of his own pressure, but we desperately need stability at LT.

It is one of the reasons I am in favor of taking a gamble on Josh Simmons.

[fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Rausch

My guess would be not spending high draft picks on two of the most important positions in football would explain our lack of post season success until recently.

Just a thought. Perhaps we should have at least tried to fill the QB and LT positions.

My own opinion is that Veach basically said, Mahomes it's on you. Carry a crap offense to a Super Bowl. Then he invested the majority of his draft capital on defense. We were rewarded with a great defense, but the offense nosedived. As Mahomes was working with the worst Left Tackle and Receiving Corps in the league. In the end, he was right anyways. Because we won. But damn, it can't make Mahomes happy to have to constantly work with a shit sandwich. I'm glad Veach finally decided to help Mahomes out in the draft.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

It’s worth noting: Josh Simmons is first OT Chiefs have drafted in first round since drafting Eric Fisher with first overall pick in 2013. That’s crazy!

Well, let's look back at the context of it:

2013: Draft Fisher 1.1. He spends the year playing RT because KC has a LT already, before moving to LT in 2014.
2014: No T drafted. Bandaid at RT. Future starter at G (Duvarney-Tardif) drafted.
2015: No T drafted. Bandaid at RT. Immediate starter at C (Morse) drafted.
2016: No T drafted. Signed Mitchell Schwartz in FA. Drafted a G (Ehringer) they flipped for Charvarious Ward.
2017: No T drafted. Full on into the Fisher/Schwartz era, with them being one of the finer pairs of Ts in the NFL.
2018: No T drafted. Fisher and Schwartz era.
2019: No T drafted. Fisher and Schwartz era.
2020: Still Fisher and Schwartz era. Draft Niang round 3. Value-draft pick due to hip injury, that fell. Viewed as a potential 1st-round talent entering his last year of college. Development put into weird state first by COVID opt-out and then by his patellar tendon tear.
2021: First year post-Fisher and Schwartz. Trade 1st-round pick for known, NFL-caliber starter in Orlando Brown after trying to sign the top LT in Trent Williams. Draft Humphrey in 2nd and Trey Smith later. Perceived that Niang will compete at RT.
2022: Draft Kinnard in Round 5 (Orlando Brown returning, perceived as long-term fit, short-term options at RT).
2023: Have Donovan Smith as a band-aid. Take Wanya Morris in round 3. Jawaan Taylor signed to large deal to manage RT.
2024: No band-aid present, Donovan Smith a FA. Draft Kingsley Suamataia in round 2 to compete with Morris. It goes not well. Locked into Taylor at RT.
2025: Take swing on Simmons. Signed Jaylon Moore.

Looking back at the context that way, I'm pressed to find a year where I honestly can complain about them not spending a first-round pick. Maybe in 14 and 15 they should have taken some more stabs there.

But from 2016-2020, the Chiefs had an excellent T combo in their prime. Investing Day 1 or Day 2 picks at T would have been investing in guys you know are backups or that you're converting to G.

And they certainly have been investing since that blow up. First-round pick used to get Brown, signing Taylor, 2nd and 3rd round picks on developemental guys, now a first.