Holthus takes a shot at Haley...

[petegz28]

On 810 not long ago he was talking about the chemistry on this team and how he hasn't seen it this way really since he has been calling the games but to the juice...

Said the big reason for the chemistry is there is not a bunch of nit-picking, micro-managing and "useless yelling". Said Cassel doesn't have to worry anymore about being chewed out after changing the play and completing a downfield pass when the play called did not call for such. Went on to say that accountability is being maintained and used the Monday walk-through as an example. Just said there isn't a bunch ot nit-picking and yelling. Romeo let's the coaches coach, etc.

He then elabortated more about how Daboll doesn't give a shit if Cassel changes a play at the line if he thinks the play called won't succeed against the defensive alignment.

I took that as a clear shot at Haley and in retrospect it certainly seems to fit what we saw out of him for 3 years.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Look, I am not saying Parcells didn't yell and cuss. Difference was he could do it and hold the respect of the team. Haley couldn't. There is probably a reason for that.

Haley and Parcells command the respect of the team through fear.

Don't try and tell me Haley wouldn't have won two straight division titles if it weren't for the three ACL tears.

He would have.

Who knows, maybe it's a blessing in disguise that they got hurt and he was fired.

Time will tell.

[RunKC]

Todd Haley being a prick to the coaches? No way.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

It's all bullshit because Brian Daboll used to scream bloody murder at Colt McCoy.

Well he isn't yelling at Cassel. Why? Who knows? Maybe he realized that wasn't the most effective way to get production out of a QB and an offense?

don't you find it odd that Haley's most calm season here was the one where Weis was forced on him?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Haley and Parcells command the respect of the team through fear.

Don't try and tell me Haley wouldn't have won two straight division titles if it weren't for the three ACL tears.

He would have.

Who knows, maybe it's a blessing in disguise that they got hurt and he was fired.

Time will tell.

Riddle me this, did Parcells ever draw a penalty because he couldn't control his temper?

[DaFace]

I have no doubt that RAC is more calm than Haley and that that makes the team seem more cordial and organized. The question is whether that style translates into in-field performance or not. Some guys just need someone to kick them in the ass to get motivated.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well he isn't yelling at Cassel. Why? Who knows?

It's preseason.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

So did Scott Pioli.

Shit, Scott waited till after the superbowl to hire a hc because he only wanted Haley.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I have no doubt that RAC is more calm than Haley and that that makes the team seem more cordial and organized. The question is whether that style translates into in-field performance or not. Some guys just need someone to kick them in the ass to get motivated.

Agreed. And I agree there is a time to yell. Just not all the time, every play and every player and every coach or every time something goes wrong.

I often model Marty in that situation when talking about the right way to yell. You think he didn't yell? You think he never grabbed a player by the facemask? But he didn't do it every single time something didn't go right.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I have no doubt that RAC is more calm than Haley and that that makes the team seem more cordial and organized. The question is whether that style translates into in-field performance or not. Some guys just need someone to kick them in the ass to get motivated.

I've said this before. I just hope RAC isn't our version of Norv Turner.

Player's coaches always do great for the first few years. But if they're too soft, there comes a point when the honeymoon ends and the players realize they can get away with anything. If Romeo doesn't tear into his players who show up late, who don't work hard enough in practice, etc.... players start to get soft.

I hope something has changed. Because that was his reputation in Cleveland -- a real nice guy that players loved, but so nice that his players softened up over time.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Shit, Scott waited till after the superbowl to hire a hc because he only wanted Haley.

Pioli doesn't get nearly enough blame for hiring a shit HC.

And I firmly believe Romeo was hired for one reason only: he's gonna do whatever Pioli wants.

Haley had a little power and things didn't go well. So now Pioli has all the power.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I've said this before. I just hope RAC isn't our version of Norv Turner.

Player's coaches always do great for the first few years. But if they're too soft, there comes a point when the honeymoon ends and the players realize they can get away with anything. If Romeo doesn't tear into his players who show up late, who don't work hard enough in practice, etc.... players start to get soft.

I hope something has changed. Because that was his reputation in Cleveland -- a real nice guy that players loved, but so nice that his players softened up over time.

Holthus talked about this and used the Monday walk-through as an example of Romeo calling for accountability. Said the walk-thorugh was shabby so Romeo would not let them go until they got shit right. and Id on't think Romeo will have a problem of laying into a player when it needs to be done. After all he is a defensive coach and that sort of comes with the territory.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Pioli doesn't get nearly enough blame for hiring a shit HC.

And I firmly believe Romeo was hired for one reason only: he's gonna do whatever Pioli wants.

Haley had a little power and things didn't go well. So now Pioli has all the power.

That may be true. All I know is RAC is off to a good start for as far as he can be judged. We put together the best pre-season game we have since 2003 at least. The team didn't look soft, didn't look confused and didn't look scared as they often did under our last 2 HC's.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

hope something has changed. Because that was his reputation in Cleveland -- a real nice guy that players loved, but so nice that his players softened up over time.

One would think that he learned his lesson from his experiences in Cleveland and that being tough and yelling is appropriate and necessary at times.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I've said this before. I just hope RAC isn't our version of Norv Turner.

Player's coaches always do great for the first few years. But if they're too soft, there comes a point when the honeymoon ends and the players realize they can get away with anything. If Romeo doesn't tear into his players who show up late, who don't work hard enough in practice, etc.... players start to get soft.

I hope something has changed. Because that was his reputation in Cleveland -- a real nice guy that players loved, but so nice that his players softened up over time.

Crennel also had shit for talent in Cleveland and oh, BTW, he was the last coach to take them to the playoffs. BB sucked in Cleveland too and for pretty much the same reason.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

One would think that he learned his lesson from his experiences in Cleveland and that being tough and yelling is appropriate and necessary at times.

I hope so. I'm not saying he hasn't learned or that things won't be different. But it's important to note that his reputation in his long career is that he's a player's coach.