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04-03-2014, 10:58 AM | #122 | |
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If Dorsey is a good GM, those 2 picks equal 2 solid starters. Given the standard probabilities for all teams in the draft, 2 solid starters is basically almost one entire draft. That doesn't mean that they won't be successful. They've just essentially cut off their nose to spite their face. 2 steps forward, one step back. However you want to look at it. I'm not saying Alex Smith was a bad move. I'm not saying two picks was too much to give up. All I'm saying is that giving up those 2 picks make the rest of the "plan" that much harder to execute, thus the probability said "plan" working goes down... |
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I also don't think this conversation happens if the 49ers just kept it at a 2013 2nd rounder and then some change. Maybe a 5th or a 4th in 2014. Instead, the second half turned into a 3rd or a 2nd, with the qualifier for the 2nd being a ridiculously low benchmark (reach 8-8 on the year). It wasn't even a playoff berth. Just 8-8.
The Niners probably wanted this deal. But since the negotiations were being conducted at the combine behind closed doors, it wasn't like there was a bidding war going on or anything. I'll bet they would have accepted the lower offer. |
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04-03-2014, 11:26 AM | #124 | |
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I'm not so sure about this... Really, why should have the niners traded Smith? They were going with a new exciting QB running a gimmick offense that had success when defenses didn't have time to prepare for it. Smith and Kap's combined salaries were less than what most teams spend on one QB let alone 2. If the niners don't trade Smith, they have a solid, reliable, veteran QB who can step in if their RUNNING QB sustains a season ending injury for 2 more years! Even if Kap doesn't go down, they had the benefit of Smith coaching him up for 2 more years. Harbaugh himself said that Smith was doing more QB coaching than he was. They weren't going to let him go for cheap. Even if no one else came looking Smith was incredibly valuable to the niners organization given what they were paying him and Kap.
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04-03-2014, 11:38 AM | #128 | |
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In essence, it really boils down to what they're losing out of this year's 2nd round. This is the only time they really get nothing. |
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I don't always follow lockstep, or have the exact same philosophy as my boss.
Why do we assume Dorsey will do the same with Thompson? |
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04-03-2014, 11:40 AM | #130 | |
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04-03-2014, 11:42 AM | #131 |
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fine ... last year was a quick patch and now we are in normal grind mode.
Still doesn't change the fact that there is going to be a lull until Dorsey gets his draft core built up. Which means that this is a rebuild-ish and that our older core players aren't going to be part of it. When this year's draft starts we might as well get on the phone and have a fire sale. Try to trade as many vets for draft picks as we can. I bet we can squeeze a 1st out of Alex Smith if the QB's go quick. Charles to regain our 2nd? What would Hali and DJ go for? If you are going to build through the draft, then just do it.
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04-03-2014, 11:47 AM | #134 |
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I don't see any way they get a 1st out of Alex Smith, particularly not on a one-year contract.
You're also talking about building through the draft like this is Madden and you just unload everybody. When in reality teams are usually still trying to win even when in a rebuild. I think one of the problems we have in these discussions (myself included) is that everything is not black and white, either/or. You don't generally build a team just with the draft any more than you build one just with free agents. It's usually more like what they're doing, where you settle on a core to build around and go from there. They try to make it into a reloading situation as quickly as possible, rather than an extended rebuilding. |
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