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I think with Peyton you are forgetting Dallas Clark?? When peyton was throwing to Gonzalez everyone in fantasy worlds were thinking he was the next Top notch WR on the colts and then he became injury prone. Collie/Gonzalez/Wayne/Clark/Addai.. I like that surrounding talent cast imo.. Not adding in the years of Marvin Harrison.. Our topic of the quick discussion was alex smith needing help around him to succeed, and my quick points of comparison were the above.... These 2 great QB's have always had help around them wether it be the coaching staff being flawless (Patriots) or the colts/broncos giving peyton all the talent they could... Even Elway this year said he wanted to get Peyton more weapons to throw to.. You gotta give your QB pieces to play with, We cant just give Alex 6th round players and say do magic, that 6throunder probably cant beat the opposing DB off the ball... |
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As I've said before, Dorsey's strategy will work, just as Schneider's did in Seattle, IF the team drafts well. And I get people who are skeptical about that "if" and have every reason to. But the philosophy itself is sound. |
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Chiefs football is hiring a coach off a SB team and trying to copy that model of success. We did it with Marty trying to copy the 49'ers. And we traded for their QB's. We did it with DV and the Rams and traded for one of their QB's. We did it with Pioli and traded for one of the Pats QB's. We don't come up with our own strategies - we try to copy everyone else's...
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I think you are grossly overestimating the talent Brady and Peyton have had around them. And Peyton has now done it for two systems, not just one. That's not discrediting Bellichick as a coach. You're absolutely right. He's an excellent coach. But they're winning even with lousy talent. Without Hernandez and Gronk last year, the Patriots should have been god awful. The year they had Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney, they should have been 7-9 at best. Brady and Peyton, like a handful of other elite HOF QBs, can carry an average team in ways guys like Alex Smith or Flacco or Eli can't. So I agree with you that we have to surround Alex Smith with talent. But if you're going to use an example, use Eli or Flacco or Big Ben, not elite QBs like Brady or Peyton. Last year, Smith led a playoff bubble team. You put Brady on that same team, and they are a Super Bowl favorite. |
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Listen, the NFL is incestuous, if you hire a coach that's been around, at all, they're going to try and take what worked before and transfer it to their new team. But you are right, very recently we saw Pioli attempt to recreate Patriot way in KC, and without Brady and Bilichick. It was awful and failed. Of you hire someone who has had some success, which almost every time will be the case, they'll try what worked for them, or what they've seen work. |
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you keep comparing Dorsey to the guy in Seattle as your blueprint and Dorsey is so far from that dude I don't know you why you think he's even close to that model. Schneider traded for Marshawn Lynch, splashed on Percy Harvin, trades in the draft, signs notable veteran FAs to cheap deals then signs them to long term deals to keep them. Dorsey has done NONE of that so far. What has been Dorsey's biggest FA move? A trade for a FB? Two 2nds for a 29 year old QB? 12 million to a 29 year old WR? How is this stuff like Schneider in Seattle, it's not. To even think he's similar or that we are some Seattle in the making is a disrespect to Seattle and pure homerism as a Chiefs fan in denial. |
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I've started discounting people that when talking about the Alex Smith trade, refer to him as just another backup QB, or suggest that he's old.
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Those games under 200 yards, weren't those the games that we had leads in and the D was doing what they were suppose to so we were running the ball and burning up clock instead of throwing the pigskin all over for no reason. You are damn right we lost twice to the SB runner ups, Peytons donkos, while putting 28 points on the board in our house our Defense let them put up 35. Yeah we did lose to the Chargers but the offense scored 38 while that D of ours gave up 41. Our whole ****ing team, including coaching staff, couldn't do a damn thing right against the Colts in the regular season, to the point it looked almost intentional. Oh yeah we should have drafted Geno Smith last year. NOT what a dumbass thought that is. The Chiefs gained from not picking up Geno Smith. Alex Smith is a franchise QB. He is the Chiefs franchise QB.
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