No Charges in Wal-Mart BB Gun Shooting

[Skyy God]

Watch the video. Dude's just shopping for pet food, swinging a BB gun, and minding his own business. Then, BAM.

Apparently the Dayton PD trains their officers to murder people.

http://www.whio.com/videos/news/walm...ptures/vCtB6Z/

A special grand jury called to review evidence in the fatal shooting of John Crawford III, killed by police in an Ohio Walmart while carrying a BB gun from store's shelves, decided today that no officers involved in the shooting will be indicted.

Surveillance video from Crawford's shooting—previously unavailable to the public—shows Crawford walking around the store while talking on the phone, with the BB gun at his side or on his shoulder. The disturbing video then shows an officer rushing toward Crawford with his gun drawn before shooting him.

Though the special grand jury reportedly considered charging the officers with murder, reckless homicide, or negligent homicide, WHIO reports the jury ultimately decided not to indict the officers involved in the shooting, finding their actions were justified.

Vince Pope, attorney for the officers involved in the shooting, released a statement following the decision:

"I believe the grand jury's decision, it's absolutely the right decision, that the officers acted well within their training."

Derrick Foward, president of the Dayton Unit NAACP, also released a statement:

"The Special Grand Jury in Greene County made the wrong decision. It's a sad day in the history of Dayton."

Foward added the NAACP will call for a complete investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice.

http://gawker.com/no-indictments-aga...oot-1638642197

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Because they carry real guns and may shoot back?

J/K

Those guys are idiots, but most of the time they put it out there that they are going to be at a specific location in advance.

Soooooooo. Unarmed black guy is more dangerous than an armed white guy.....got it

[Mennonite]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

Soooooooo. Unarmed black guy is more dangerous than an armed white guy.....got it

Sho Nuff

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

How long do you think it would take them to go from a "expressly non-active position" to the ability to fire their weapon? 1 second? 1/2 a second? 3 seconds?

Fast enough to justify LEOs to approach from a defensive rather than offensive posture.

A LEO can approach gun draw and aimed confident that he'll get off a shot before someone can get their weapon off their shoulder. No so sure if the people has the weapon already in hand, finger on trigger.

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

If you view these all as isolated incidents, you could make a case, however it is stretched that the officer acted according to the police procedure.

The thing is that the majority of these shootings are of black people by white officers. Not every case obviously but we can't deny that there is a racial element to all thse shootings.

Add in some ancillary evidence that white people are carrying AR-15's into stores without any injuries to themselves or bystanders, you have to question that the racial profiling angle is more in play than we want to admit.

Yep, unfortunately, it's the reality.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by NinerDoug

Here's what I was thinking about. Happened in Santa Rosa, not Redwood City.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4152819.html



Like the guy killed in Walmart, the kid got shouted at, turned toward the people shouting, which is a perfectly natural reaction, and got blown away.

Yea well, Redwood City has way too many police in general. You can't drive 10 feet without seeing another cruiser. Went to an Oktoberfest there a couple weekends ago and realized I needed to have one beer, wash the stein you had to buy to get in and put it in a grocery bag just to safely make it out of town. I gotta say though most places on the peninsula are really cool. You have to seriously mess up to get in trouble. LOVE the skyline and 280 autobahn.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

Soooooooo. Unarmed black guy is more dangerous than an armed white guy.....got it

How in the **** did you get that out of my post? Isn't it a little early to be hitting the Old Crow?

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

Yep, unfortunately, it's the reality.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I'm no advocate of what they're doing, but they all have their firearms in an expressly non-active position, draped around neck, holstered, etc.

So what?, that's bullshit.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

Yep, unfortunately, it's the reality.

We have a neighbor that lost their son due to a headlock from the police. He was in college, drunk and not cooperating with the police. They and the son are white. If he was black would they have just shot him?

My son is 6'4" 260 lbs. Headstrong as someone could be. I tell him at least once a month to not resist the police for any reason. Doesn't matter if you did nothing wrong, they are totally in the wrong. We will sort it out later.Get lawyers whatever, just cooperate and live.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by BigRichard

In addition the guy calling in telling the cops he has a rifle waving it at people puts them on high alert. I still think that guy should be charged with something, and not a light something. He deserves jail time.

**** yes he does. He should do hard ****ing time, and lose his every possession to the family of the man he had murdered.

[Mennonite]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

My son is 6'4" 260 lbs. Headstrong as someone could be. I tell him at least once a month to not resist the police for any reason. Doesn't matter if you did nothing wrong, they are totally in the wrong. We will sort it out later.Get lawyers whatever, just cooperate and live.

Land of the Free, baby.

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We have a neighbor that lost their son due to a headlock from the police. He was in college, drunk and not cooperating with the police. They and the son are white. If he was black would they have just shot him?

My son is 6'4" 260 lbs. Headstrong as someone could be. I tell him at least once a month to not resist the police for any reason. Doesn't matter if you did nothing wrong, they are totally in the wrong. We will sort it out later.Get lawyers whatever, just cooperate and live.

What happened to the cop? Did they sue? Was he charged? That is my approach, cooperate and live. Now hopefully people can understand why my heart rate goes up when I am being tailed or pulled over by a cop and I have no record at all......

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We have a neighbor that lost their son due to a headlock from the police. He was in college, drunk and not cooperating with the police. They and the son are white. If he was black would they have just shot him?

My son is 6'4" 260 lbs. Headstrong as someone could be. I tell him at least once a month to not resist the police for any reason. Doesn't matter if you did nothing wrong, they are totally in the wrong. We will sort it out later.Get lawyers whatever, just cooperate and live.

That's good advise, which would be hard to follow under some circumstances, but still solid advise.

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by Bwana

How in the **** did you get that out of my post? Isn't it a little early to be hitting the Old Crow?

Can you just ban that stupid muther****er from this thread. He comes into everyone of these threads about a shooting and ruins it for everyone else.

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by BigRichard

Can you just ban that stupid muther****er from this thread. He comes into everyone of these threads about a shooting and ruins it for everyone else.

Shut yo ass up.....and quit whining about someone getting banned....that's a bitch move

[BigRichard]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

Shut yo ass up.....and quit whining about someone getting banned....that's a bitch move

I believe you have been banned from other threads so I don't think it is a reach.