Ethics and Honor - A Rain Man Rant

cheeeefs · 05-02-2005, 09:18 PM

*sniff* I didn't even get an obligatory "We'll call you"

**Rain Man** · 05-02-2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cheeeefs

*sniff* I didn't even get an obligatory "We'll call you"

Um...we don't have any openings right now.

Seriously, if you or anyone else has a math degree and can pass a couple of math tests, we're looking...it's a darn cool job, too.

cheeeefs · 05-02-2005, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Um...we don't have any openings right now.

Seriously, if you or anyone else has a math degree and can pass a couple of math tests, we're looking...it's a darn cool job, too.

1+1 = 2

2+2 = 4

the square root of twenty is the same as the number that if you multiply it by itself it equals twenty.

I can start in about.... two weeks.

Jenson71 · 05-02-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cheeeefs

the square root of twenty is the same as the number that if you multiply it by itself it equals twenty.

Um... Correct!

cheeeefs · 05-02-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

Um... Correct!

can you believe that that was off the top of my head with no cheating?

FallingAlice · 05-02-2005, 09:41 PM

I can see why you'd be pissed.

I think to take anything of value away from this situation, as angry as you are, try to withold judgement until you sit down with her for a heart to heart and say, "Look... I'm really disappointed in how this transpired. We valued you and we thought you were happy. We also expected you to start full time as of yadyayda. I don't want this to happen again, so I need to know if there was something specific that caused you to leave the way you have[i.e., f^ck us over].

Then, I would be honest and tell her that this answer is especially important because of your perception of what she has done. So...if she had particularly good reason to take another job then you would see this as reasonable...otherwise

You might mention that you are extremely irritated and that you will bring it up with her University/College employment office. Tell her that you intend not to take interns or graduates from this school again and that you will be contacting the college career services about the matter.

These are all reasonable things to do. They should get her attention.

**Rain Man** · 05-02-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FallingAlice

I can see why you'd be pissed.

I think to take anything of value away from this situation, as angry as you are, try to withold judgement until you sit down with her for a heart to heart and say, "Look... I'm really disappointed in how this transpired. We valued you and we thought you were happy. We also expected you to start full time as of yadyayda. I don't want this to happen again, so I need to know if there was something specific that caused you to leave the way you have[i.e., f^ck us over].

Then, I would be honest and tell her that this answer is especially important because of your perception of what she has done. So...if she had particularly good reason to take another job then you would see this as reasonable...otherwise

You might mention that you are extremely irritated and that you will bring it up with her University/College employment office. Tell her that you intend not to take interns or graduates from this school again and that you will be contacting the college career services about the matter.

These are all reasonable things to do. They should get her attention.

I'll definitely talk to her in an exit interview, and just let her know from a coaching perspective that what she did is perceived as being highly unprofessional and is causing a problem for my company. I don't think she realizes that, and I'm trying to keep in perspective that she's only 22 years old.

I actually thought about writing to her college and just letting them know that they need to counsel students about this and put systems in place to prevent it. After all, it probably cost one of her classmates a job. However, I wouldn't stop hiring there, because it's not right to screw over some other student just because of this one's error in judgment.

FallingAlice · 05-02-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'll definitely talk to her in an exit interview, and just
I actually thought about writing to her college and just letting them know that they need to counsel students about this and put systems in place to prevent it. After all, it probably cost one of her classmates a job. However, I wouldn't stop hiring there, because it's not right to screw over some other student just because of this one's error in judgment.

I think you should definitely write them.

As far as the other bit goes..pfft...it's an empty threat. But the girl doesn't need to know that. You could instead word the letter to say, "This experience has caused me to reconsider hiring future graduates of your school....yadayayda."

FallingAlice · 05-03-2005, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ENDelt260

You really think she'll care?

I think she'll care if she gets a call from the Career Services Department and/or the Dean of Students. Practically speaking, there's nothing they can do to her. But it would be a very humiliating experience.

Something like that is not out of the question. Career Services is an important part of stakeholder and alumni relations and student recruitment for most schools. They do not like to hear stories like this.

If RainMan also happens to be an alumni and/or donor, then the situation is even worse.

**Rain Man** · 05-02-2005, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cheeeefs

1+1 = 2

2+2 = 4

the square root of twenty is the same as the number that if you multiply it by itself it equals twenty.

I can start in about.... two weeks.

I'm listening...

JOhn · 05-02-2005, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Um...we don't have any openings right now.

Seriously, if you or anyone else has a math degree and can pass a couple of math tests, we're looking...it's a darn cool job, too.

Sounds like a great job for, all but the Math part

View Poll Results: In which situations is either party being unethical or dishonorable?
A. Employer makes job offer to college student, student starts work, employer fires student within 90 days for poor job performance.	0	0%
B. Employer makes job offer to college student, student starts work, student quits within 90 days after finding 'better' job.	0	0%
C. Employer makes job offer to college student, student starts work, employer lays off student within 90 days due to slow business.	3	21.43%
D. Employer makes job offer to college student, student accepts job, employer rescinds offer before start date because a stronger candidate came available by pure happenstance	9	64.29%
E. Employer makes job offer to college student, student accepts job, employer continues to interview candidates for that position, employer rescinds offer before start date because a stronger candidate was located.	11	78.57%
F. Employer makes job offer to college student, student accepts job, employer rescinds offer before start date due to slow business.	4	28.57%
G. Employer makes job offer to college student, student accepts job, student reneges on offer before start date because another 'better' job offer arrived by pure happenstance.	3	21.43%
H. Employer makes job offer to college student, student accepts job, student continues to actively interview for other jobs, student reneges on offer before start date because another 'better' job offer was received.	9	64.29%
I. Employer makes job offer to college student, student accepts job, student reneges on offer after beginning pre-job paid training program because another 'better' job offer arrived by pure happenstance.	7	50.00%
J. Employer makes job offer to college student, student accepts job, student continues to actively interview for other jobs, student reneges on offer after beginning pre-job paid training program because another 'better' job offer was received.	11	78.57%
None of these represent unethical or dishonorable behavior.	1	7.14%
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05-02-2005, 09:18 PM	#1
cheeeefs Aishwarya Rai Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Baltimore Casino cash: $10004900	sniff I didn't even get an obligatory "We'll call you" __________________ "Yeah, I could do it. We both know you wouldn't stop me. Let's think about the logic. You create man, man suffers enormous amounts of pain, man dies. They say you rested on the seventh day, well maybe you should have spent that day on compassion."
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05-02-2005, 09:41 PM	#6
FallingAlice Starter Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10004900	I can see why you'd be pissed. I think to take anything of value away from this situation, as angry as you are, try to withold judgement until you sit down with her for a heart to heart and say, "Look... I'm really disappointed in how this transpired. We valued you and we thought you were happy. We also expected you to start full time as of yadyayda. I don't want this to happen again, so I need to know if there was something specific that caused you to leave the way you have[i.e., f^ck us over]. Then, I would be honest and tell her that this answer is especially important because of your perception of what she has done. So...if she had particularly good reason to take another job then you would see this as reasonable...otherwise You might mention that you are extremely irritated and that you will bring it up with her University/College employment office. Tell her that you intend not to take interns or graduates from this school again and that you will be contacting the college career services about the matter. These are all reasonable things to do. They should get her attention. __________________ What would Brian Boitano do?
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