Dean - No griping here about KU streak - Page 2

**Lzen** · 01-18-2007, 08:48 AM

By Rick Dean
The Capital-Journal
Published Thursday, January 18, 2007

The winning streak is at 10 games and counting, their record in the Big 12 Conference still unblemished. But I had to look this up to be certain after listening to some of the grumbling voiced after Kansas' three-point home victory over border rival Missouri on Monday.

Here I was, foolish man, thinking it was significant that in a six-day period, the fifth-ranked Kansas Jayhawks engineered a commanding 30-point rout at home over then ninth-ranked Oklahoma State, went on the road to always tough Hilton Coliseum and defeated young but gutty Iowa State, then returned home to hold off an embattled Missouri team that played one of its best games in its first season under a new coach.

By Tuesday, though, I was corrected by callers to talk radio shows who couldn't comprehend how a supposed national title contender could impose its will on a Top 10 opponent one night, then need an overtime and some late-game magic by a freshman to beat two inferior teams in its next two games.

Not that any of that apprehension is hard to comprehend.

The Jayhawks who had their fans gushing after Oklahoma State are the team their fans expect. The Jayhawks who fought and scraped to beat Iowa State and Missouri are the team they've got. And what concerns them most is wondering which of those teams will show up in mid-March.

Well, the fun part of any sports campaign, especially for teams carrying the high expectations the Jayhawks do every time the ball goes up, is that champions aren't crowned at the midpoint of a season. The performances of January have significance in March mainly in how they help shape a team for the NCAA Tournament, which at Kansas are the only games that anybody cares to count.

That's why I like what happened to KU over the past week. They had the chance to see what they can accomplish when they put it all together. They also saw what it takes to win close games, both at home and on the road, when they don't bring their "A" game and an opponent does.

Some people call this playing up or down to the level of the competition. I see it as the process of learning how to win.

Between now and March, the Jayhawks also will be reminded, likely several times, of what it is to lose — a sour taste they last experienced against DePaul back on Dec. 2. That can be helpful experience, too, in preparing for March.

There may be plenty of opportunities for Jayhawk fans to grumble again in the coming months. But the events of the last three games were not such occasions.

Rick Dean can be reached at 295-5628 or rick.dean@cjonline.com.

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Reerun_KC · 01-18-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

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Poor Reerun. Owned like an Mobilehoman mule.... even in the KU threads can't resist me. Reerun, I wouldn't dream of stepping between you and Skip. Now go wash up.

xxoo

And Reerun, the "A++++++" game was from Arrowheadhawk.

Did Thuggins "Call us out??!!11 Tell me more about this li'l Romey.

*Sorry Lz, I won't interrupt you thread again.

of course I was calling you out, not fun to talk about Big XII basketball with out you...

And you can rest asure I will never interrupt you while you have Saul balls deep either...

Actually your Coach did call you guys out last night on FSN after the game. Questioning the crowd and lack of student attendance.

So was yours the A+++++++++++++++++++ game thing then?

Did you watch any of the ISU/CO game last night?

WilliamTheIrish · 01-18-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

of course I was calling you out, not fun to talk about Big XII basketball with out you...

And you can rest asure I will never interrupt you while you have Saul balls deep either...

Actually your Coach did call you guys out last night on FSN after the game. Questioning the crowd and lack of student attendance.

So was yours the A+++++++++++++++++++ game thing then?

Did you watch any of the ISU/CO game last night?

Lzen; I promised. I'm breaking it.

Sheerun, your obsession is duly noted. And we KSU fans thank you for intently watching our game last night.
The attendance was 12,600. About 1k from a full house. I like it that Huggs want the place full.

And reerun. Try to be funny. If you rehash what I write - like you do do often - it's ...well.... it's weak. So try to be funny. I only explain this because the people in this thread deserve better.

K? Say hello Schillinger... I mean skip.

**Skip Towne** · 01-18-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jidar

wow.
I thought self was pretty good. You guys don't **** around I guess.

Self has lost to 3 mid majors and DePaul in an 18 month period. Unacceptable.

**Skip Towne** · 01-18-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

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Poor Reerun. Owned like an Mobilehoman mule.... even in the KU threads can't resist me. Reerun, I wouldn't dream of stepping between you and Skip. Now go wash up.

xxoo

And Reerun, the "A++++++" game was from Arrowheadhawk.

Did Thuggins "Call us out??!!11 Tell me more about this li'l Romey.

*Sorry Lz, I won't interrupt you thread again.

Don't you have some cowshit to shovel, William?

Reerun_KC · 01-18-2007, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Lzen; I promised. I'm breaking it.

Sheerun, your obsession is duly noted. And we KSU fans thank you for intently watching our game last night.
The attendance was 12,600. About 1k from a full house. I like it that Huggs want the place full.

And reerun. Try to be funny. If you rehash what I write - like you do do often - it's ...well.... it's weak. So try to be funny. I only explain this because the people in this thread deserve better.

K? Say hello Schillinger... I mean skip.

Sheerun? That is great little bill, your attempt at creativity or lack there of is quite amusing. I am sure with a degree from SiloTech you would/could be alittle more creative than that.

Rehashing what you write? Ah I see, so when you make a degrading sexual comment about someone and they reply with the same bullshit crap back you call that weak? Your right, the poeple of this thread deserve better, so keep the weak crap to yourself...

Besides can you not talk Basketball on a level that doesnt involved name calling and insults?

Was that 12,600 paid or actual attendance? I have read that was paid not actual...

HolyHandgernade · 01-18-2007, 02:46 PM

I went to KU in the late 80's, was a freshman when the won the whole thing. I think part of the problem, with all due respect to KSU football, that the closest thing Kansas has to a marquee sports team is Jayhawk basketball, and when they don't perceive their team as being the 300 lb gorilla that blows everyone out, they think something is wrong, and its all based on their failed expectations, not necessarily the team's.

Yes, the first round exits have been disappointing. But last year had no real impact seniors on the team, and this year's has absolutely no seniors at all. I don't think most people realize how important they are. When Roy was coach, he really only had one transition point where he didn't have the impact senior holdover, and that was when Paul Pierce left after his junior year. They had to wait until Drew, Nick, and Kirk matured to the point to get that continuity back.

The impact of younger players developing, no matter how much potential they have, is always lessend by experienced upperclass players. Once Self has a few of those, and he still is having the same consistency issues, well then I'll say its a coaching problem. He's got "his" players now, but he hasn't had the time to establish "his" system yet.

Now, another first round exit will be unacceptable, but getting to the Sweet Sixteen shouldn't be seen as a failure. If he does that and then loses, and then KU looks for someone else they are going to ruin this program. Have a bit of patience for crying out loud, my guess is that in three years, people won't fess up to being doubters today.

-HH

Mr. Laz · 01-18-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

Yes, the first round exits have been disappointing. But last year had no real impact seniors on the team, and this year's has absolutely no seniors at all. I don't think most people realize how important they are. When Roy was coach, he really only had one transition point where he didn't have the impact senior holdover, and that was when Paul Pierce left after his junior year. They had to wait until Drew, Nick, and Kirk matured to the point to get that continuity back.

Florida won last year with young guys
UNC won the year before with young guys

ROYC75 · 01-18-2007, 04:48 PM

This KU team is capable of winning it all, ( with young talent ) but only if they play to the top of their talent.

Problem is, they don't always do that........ref: early exits and this years losses.

Tactical Funky · 01-18-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Florida won last year with young guys
UNC won the year before with young guys

True, but such is a flawed argument since youth is usually indicative of tournament inexperience.

I think this year's KU team will go quite deep in the tourney if they really focus on each and every game this season.

Halfcan · 01-18-2007, 06:25 PM

KU will wait til the end to choke.

**Anyong Bluth** · 01-18-2007, 06:49 PM

UNC were not young guys- they were upperclassmen

**Skip Towne** · 01-18-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocina_Basement

UNC were not young guys- they were upperclassmen

Royboy was the "new guy".

**Anyong Bluth** · 01-18-2007, 06:54 PM

It was Roy's 2nd year with them, and he had so much talent to work with. Doh def. didn't leave the cupboard empty for him.

DJay23 · 01-18-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocina_Basement

UNC were not young guys- they were upperclassmen

May, McCants, and Felton were all Juniors I believe. Then wasn't Manuel the only senior? something like that.

Reerun_KC · 01-19-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Lzen; I promised. I'm breaking it.

Sheerun, your obsession is duly noted. And we KSU fans thank you for intently watching our game last night.
The attendance was 12,600. About 1k from a full house. I like it that Huggs want the place full.

And reerun. Try to be funny. If you rehash what I write - like you do do often - it's ...well.... it's weak. So try to be funny. I only explain this because the people in this thread deserve better.

K? Say hello Schillinger... I mean skip.

You posted this about Wednesday game? "The attendance was 12,600. About 1k from a full house. I like it that Huggs want the place full."

then KC star posted this today "Scott, meanwhile, said he understands Huggins’ frustration. The excitement that Huggins brought to the program translated to selling out all season tickets, but it hasn’t equaled full houses. The actual in-house attendance Wednesday was 8,850 (capacity is 13,340).

“We have not had close to capacity by our students at any game this year. It’s disappointing,” Scott said. “We haven’t had a full house outside of the opener. There’s not much we can do about it. We’ve got to make it (men’s basketball) a thing to do again, and I think we’re going to do that.”

Your numbers are alittle off. Since you know you are all knowing and can only make fun of peoples username and reeruned sexual comments.

I start classes today, so I wont be able to banter back and forth as much.. But thought I would share that little tidbit with you...

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HolyHandgernade Integralist Join Date: May 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Casino cash: $10006370	I went to KU in the late 80's, was a freshman when the won the whole thing. I think part of the problem, with all due respect to KSU football, that the closest thing Kansas has to a marquee sports team is Jayhawk basketball, and when they don't perceive their team as being the 300 lb gorilla that blows everyone out, they think something is wrong, and its all based on their failed expectations, not necessarily the team's. Yes, the first round exits have been disappointing. But last year had no real impact seniors on the team, and this year's has absolutely no seniors at all. I don't think most people realize how important they are. When Roy was coach, he really only had one transition point where he didn't have the impact senior holdover, and that was when Paul Pierce left after his junior year. They had to wait until Drew, Nick, and Kirk matured to the point to get that continuity back. The impact of younger players developing, no matter how much potential they have, is always lessend by experienced upperclass players. Once Self has a few of those, and he still is having the same consistency issues, well then I'll say its a coaching problem. He's got "his" players now, but he hasn't had the time to establish "his" system yet. Now, another first round exit will be unacceptable, but getting to the Sweet Sixteen shouldn't be seen as a failure. If he does that and then loses, and then KU looks for someone else they are going to ruin this program. Have a bit of patience for crying out loud, my guess is that in three years, people won't fess up to being doubters today. -HH __________________ You'll see it's all a show, keep 'em laughing as you go, just remember, the last laugh is on you, and always look on the bright side of life!
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