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These "parents" should face criminal charges
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080328/...s_death_prayer
Parents pick prayer over docs; girl dies WESTON, Wis. - Police are investigating an 11-year-old girl's death from an undiagnosed, treatable form of diabetes after her parents chose to pray for her rather than take her to a doctor. An autopsy showed Madeline Neumann died Sunday of diabetic ketoacidosis, a condition that left too little insulin in her body, Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said. She had probably been ill for about a month, suffering symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness, the chief said Wednesday, noting that he expects to complete the investigation by Friday and forward the results to the district attorney. The girl's mother, Leilani Neumann, said that she and her family believe in the Bible and that healing comes from God, but that they do not belong to an organized religion or faith, are not fanatics and have nothing against doctors. She insisted her youngest child, a wiry girl known to wear her straight brown hair in a ponytail, was in good health until recently. "We just noticed a tiredness within the past two weeks," she said Wednesday. "And then just the day before and that day (she died), it suddenly just went to a more serious situation. We stayed fast in prayer then. We believed that she would recover. We saw signs that to us, it looked like she was recovering." Her daughter — who hadn't seen a doctor since she got some shots as a 3-year-old, according to Vergin — had no fever and there was warmth in her body, she said. The girl's father, Dale Neumann, a former police officer, said he started CPR "as soon as the breath of life left" his daughter's body. Family members elsewhere called authorities to seek help for the girl. "My sister-in-law, she's very religious, she believes in faith instead of doctors ...," the girl's aunt told a sheriff's dispatcher Sunday afternoon in a call from California. "And she called my mother-in-law today ... and she explained to us that she believes her daughter's in a coma now and she's relying on faith." The dispatcher got more information from the caller and asked whether an ambulance should be sent. "Please," the woman replied. "I mean, she's refusing. She's going to fight it. ... We've been trying to get her to take her to the hospital for a week, a few days now." The aunt called back with more information on the family's location, emergency logs show. Family friends also made a 911 call from the home. Police and paramedics arrived within minutes and immediately called for an ambulance that took her to a hospital. But less than an hour after authorities reached the home, Madeline — a bright student who left public school for home schooling this semester — was declared dead. She is survived by her parents and three older siblings. "We are remaining strong for our children," Leilani Neumann said. "Only our faith in God is giving us strength at this time." The Neumanns said they moved from California to a modern, middle-class home in woodsy Weston, just outside Wassau in central Wisconsin, about two years ago to open a coffee shop and be closer to other relatives. A basketball hoop is set up in the driveway. Leilani Neumann said she and her husband are not worried about the investigation because "our lives are in God's hands. We know we did not do anything criminal. We know we did the best for our daughter we knew how to do." |
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As I said, if adults want to be so reeruned as to sentence themselves to death, fine. Are you saying that you feel it is also fine for them to do the same to children who themselves are too young to know what is right? What a sick faith you follow.... |
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Maybe you should sleep on this over the night. Because this is not sane. This is stupidity and a disregard for any good common sense, decency and humanity. A little girl is dead because her parents sat around and did not call a doctor and get help for her when she was clearly sick. Unbelievable!! No one would support them just walking away!!! NO SANE PERSON!!! This is not a freedom of religion argument. This is watching a child die!!
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You have no concept of what is being discussed. All you can do is lower insults and call people names. Try, just this once, to explain what you think you know so we can all understand your basis of belief. What is my faith? You seem to have the thought that you know exactly where I am. Spill it out dude. I want to know just what you feel is fact about what I believe and what I do not believe. |
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I'm sure that nobody in this country has ever died because of a mis-belief or a mistake.
You guys are trying to levy criminal law against someone that was living their life the way we all have the opportunity to do. All I can see here is another stair step for those that have no religion, or do not have the capacity to understand religion, to jump on their soapbox and decry the whole concept. |
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Dude, that is exactly what the issue is. They have been brought together by these people and by you thus the comparison. Using our "rights' to support your religious faith brings this into question.
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And glad to do so!! We actually don't all have the opportunity to go around letting our children die when we could be saving their lives. Because you get thrown in jail for a long time because of that. For instance, if my wife and I had a baby, we could not thrown it in the crib and pray that God takes care of it while we are on vacation. That's just wrong. And other adjectives.
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Either we have freedom to practice our religion as we see fit or we don't. If we don't the constitution is null and void. This country was founded on the basis of freedom of religion. You might want to go back and check the original documents to verify that. |
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Under our current system of laws in many states, those parents do have the right to withhold medical care because of their wacky-ass religious beliefs. But that doesn't make them any less moronic. They have a right to exercise their freedom of religion, and at the same time I'll exercise my freedom of speech and call them idiotic shitheads for what they did.
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They can pray to God just fine. I'm all for it. But they can not physically neglect their child with the care the child needs. And that's what they did.
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