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Old 04-19-2008, 11:18 AM  
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"Even with Jared Allen, the Chiefs only won four games..."
I don't understand why people keep saying that, like it's Jared Allen's fault that the Chiefs sucked. They won four games because their offensive line sucked and their QBs sucked and their wide receivers sucked and their cornerbacks sucked and their defensive tackles sucked, etc. etc.

It's not like because they sucked one year, Jared Allen will never be a difference-maker. If they keep Allen, and build a defense around him, and actually used some of their ridiculously unused cap money on some offense, the Chiefs could be a contending team within a couple of years.

I just don't understand this widespread logic of "Oh, since the Chiefs only won four games last year, Jared Allen is completely useless to this team."
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:37 PM   #31
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What were freeney's #s the last two seasons again?
Even more reason not to give him a Freeney-like contract.
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:37 PM   #32
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That's it. Give up.

I never said he sucks.

What I did say, and what I've said for the last year or so is that he's not worth Dwight Freeney money, with or without a history of DWI's.
He is BETTER than Freeney.
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:39 PM   #33
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Even more reason not to give him a Freeney-like contract.
If you want a top flight player, you WILL pay them as such, or you won't have them.

If I were the Chiefs, I would be trying to lock up DJ NOW, or might be a Viking too.
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:41 PM   #34
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If you want a top flight player, you WILL pay them as such, or you won't have them.

If I were the Chiefs, I would be trying to lock up DJ NOW, or might be a Viking too.
They're not very bright, are they?

If he has a Pro Bowl season next year he's going to want to renegotiate. He DID lead the league in tackles for loss this season. Why can't the Chiefs be proactive for once?
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:41 PM   #35
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He is BETTER than Freeney.
Please tell me you're kidding.

Freeney's lowest sack season is Allen's 2nd highest.

Freeney NEVER had less than 11 sacks in his first four years.

Allen did TWICE. In 2006, Tamba Hali, a ****ing ROOKIE had more sacks than he did.

Freeney forced almost as many fumbles (9) in ONE SEASON as Allen has in his career (10)

I guess you're one of the guys who would trade a 1st/3rd FOR Allen with all of his off the field issues, knowing he wants a $100M+ contract.....
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:42 PM   #36
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If you want a top flight player, you WILL pay them as such, or you won't have them.

If I were the Chiefs, I would be trying to lock up DJ NOW, or might be a Viking too.
OK.
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:45 PM   #37
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They're not very bright, are they?

If he has a Pro Bowl season next year he's going to want to renegotiate. He DID lead the league in tackles for loss this season. Why can't the Chiefs be proactive for once?
Is he worth an Adalius Thomas or Ray Lewis like contract?
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:46 PM   #38
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He is BETTER than Freeney.
yep and LJ is better than LT......

through rosy colored homer glasses
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:47 PM   #39
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Is he worth an Adalius Thomas or Ray Lewis like contract?

Marvcus Patton like contract
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:55 PM   #40
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Please tell me you're kidding.

Freeney's lowest sack season is Allen's 2nd highest.

Freeney NEVER had less than 11 sacks in his first four years.

Allen did TWICE. In 2006, Tamba Hali, a ****ing ROOKIE had more sacks than he did.

Freeney forced almost as many fumbles (9) in ONE SEASON as Allen has in his career (10)

I guess you're one of the guys who would trade a 1st/3rd FOR Allen with all of his off the field issues, knowing he wants a $100M+ contract.....
Allen is a complete DE. Freeney is a pass rusher that's it.

How many passes does freeney bat down?

How mant tackles in the run game does he make?

That 2006 season your talking about. Allen had 76 tackles, and 7.5 sacks. Freeney had 26! tackles, and 5.5 sacks.

Last season JA played 14 games, and had 15.5. Freeney 9 games 3.5.

JA may not be better than Freeney WAS, but he's sure as hell better than he IS, and he's younger, and the market has gone up since he signed that contract. The difference is that the Colts know that you have to pay your players if you want to keep them.

NO! I would NOT give up a first, and third, AND, 80 mil, but the Chiefs don't have to give up shit, they just have to pay the man.

I can't wait to see the great players we get out of this deal.
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Old 04-19-2008, 12:59 PM   #41
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Is he worth an Adalius Thomas or Ray Lewis like contract?
DJ? Not right now.
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Old 04-19-2008, 01:01 PM   #42
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yep and LJ is better than LT......

through rosy colored homer glasses
Freeney hasn't done shit in a long time. NOT sack the QB, NOT stop the run.
You guys are pulling a Carl, and think that someone should be congradulated for shit they did a long time ago.

The NFL, is a what hve you done for me lately business, and Freeney hasn't done shit.

Right now Jared is twice the DE.
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Jared's worth whatever he can get. And whoever pays him deserves whatever they get, whether it's an MVP performance, or a year suspension because he was too dumb to keep track of what cold medicine he's not supposed to take.
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Old 04-19-2008, 01:05 PM   #44
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Jared's worth whatever he can get. And whoever pays him deserves whatever they get, whether it's an MVP performance, or a year suspension because he was too dumb to keep track of what cold medicine he's not supposed to take.
Can't argue with that.
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Allen is a complete DE. Freeney is a pass rusher that's it.

How many passes does freeney bat down?

How mant tackles in the run game does he make?

That 2006 season your talking about. Allen had 76 tackles, and 7.5 sacks. Freeney had 26! tackles, and 5.5 sacks.

Last season JA played 14 games, and had 15.5. Freeney 9 games 3.5.

JA may not be better than Freeney WAS, but he's sure as hell better than he IS, and he's younger, and the market has gone up since he signed that contract. The difference is that the Colts know that you have to pay your players if you want to keep them.

NO! I would NOT give up a first, and third, AND, 80 mil, but the Chiefs don't have to give up shit, they just have to pay the man.

I can't wait to see the great players we get out of this deal.
Feel free to pick and choose which years to use to suit your argument.

Take the first 4 years of Freeney's career, and put them up against Allen's first 4 years.

8 more sacks, 13 more forced fumbles.

THAT is a game changer.

Feel free to hang your hat on his tackle stats - which might be the most subjective stat kept by the league.
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