Chiefs The Chiefs shouldn't select a QB in the 1st round - Page 10

kcbubb · 01-29-2009, 10:52 AM

The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell.

The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent.

If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.

**The Franchise** · 01-29-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Just for kicks, I'll give you a few. I don't know if any of these are possible or not, but who does.

The Bengals give a 3rd and 5th to move up from 6 to 3 to take Michael Crabtree before the Seahawks do at 4. If I'm doing that trade...then I want their 1st, 2nd and 4th to move up to the 3rd spot. Also...now that Crabtree is gone...Seattle might be looking to grab Sanchez with the 4th pick. Curry goes to the Browns at 5. Who do we take then?

Jacksonville gives a 3rd, 4th and 4th next year to move from 8 to 3 to LT Andre Smith from Alabama. I want their 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. Either that or I'll take a 1st, 3rd and a 2nd next year to get up to the 3rd spot. Crabtree goes 4th. Curry goes 5th. Michael Oher goes 6th. Who knows what the Raiders will do. Who do we take then?

San Fran gives a 2nd, 4th, and 4th next year to move from 10 to 3 to take Sanchez. I'm not going to allow someone to trade up into our spot to take someone that we should be grabbing. Plus it would take a lot more than that to get there. I'd want their 1st this year and their 1st next year.

The Pats give Cassell and a 4th to move from 23 to 3 to take CB Malcolm Jenkins. Matt Cassell is not worth 1500 points (the #7 pick in the draft) and the Patriots have a history of not drafting CBs high.

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ChiefRon · 01-29-2009, 02:25 PM

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I think Seattle would take a tackle in that scenario, Pace is older than Hasselbeck, isn't he?

Good point, though, not sure if I would risk it.

**The Franchise** · 01-29-2009, 02:27 PM

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I think Seattle would take a tackle in that scenario, Pace is older than Hasselbeck, isn't he?

Good point, though, not sure if I would risk it.

They might....but I remember reading somewhere that Hasselbeck is going to count $14 million against the cap this year.

Pace plays for the Rams not the Seahawks.

EDIT: Plus Hasselbeck is 33 and has been getting injured more and more each season.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-29-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Still waiting for this to be addressed by the guy that claims that only bad GM's have high picks every year.

If we're talking about the best in the business, how many top 5 picks have the Ravens, Colts, Pats, Eagles, Steelers, and Panthers had? These are undoubtedly the best drafters in the league. Sure, you have a few good teams float in there every once in a while like the Giants and the Chargers, but for the most part, the teams that typically draft in the top 5 usually never get beyond mediocre at best.

ChiefRon · 01-29-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

They might....but I remember reading somewhere that Hasselbeck is going to count $14 million against the cap this year.

Pace plays for the Rams not the Seahawks.

EDIT: Plus Hasselbeck is 33 and has been getting injured more and more each season.

Doh, I meant Jones.

ChiefRon · 01-29-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

They might....but I remember reading somewhere that Hasselbeck is going to count $14 million against the cap this year.

Pace plays for the Rams not the Seahawks.

EDIT: Plus Hasselbeck is 33 and has been getting injured more and more each season.

Nevertheless, you are correct, it would be risky.

I would still take Sanchez, and install a film-room setup in his new house.

**The Franchise** · 01-29-2009, 02:36 PM

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Nevertheless, you are correct, it would be risky.

I would still take Sanchez, and install a film-room setup in his new house.

And that's assuming that Sanchez is still there when we pick at #6. Who's to say that the Browns or the Seahawks wouldn't trade their pick to another team who wants Sanchez.

Chiefaholic · 01-29-2009, 02:38 PM

We were unsuccessful in trading out of the #5 spot last year with arguably the best athlete still on the board because we weren't offered fair compensation. What makes you thing somebody will ante up even more fo the #3 spot? I want a freakin' playmaker drafted. I want the type of guy who can change the outcome of the game like DT used to do. After being miserable watching the Chiefs week after week looking like the practice squad on the field, trading down doesn't cut it for me.

We can't go into this draft thinking that we'll take the best QB available. We have to enter draft day looking for the guy who takes over a game, whether it be offense or defense. If Stafford's there, snatch him up, if not take the next best athlete reguardless of position.

**The Franchise** · 01-29-2009, 02:40 PM

Someone give me one downside of Sanchez (minus experience)

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-29-2009, 02:41 PM

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Someone give me one downside of Sanchez (minus experience)

You're either going to be waiting a LONG time, or get an answer we're all going to get a good laugh out of.

Chiefaholic · 01-29-2009, 02:42 PM

Oh yeah... Take Matt Cassell and shove him up your keyster. He's average at best playing with a supporting cast of Pro-Bowl talent all around him. Even with all that talent, he wasn't good enough to finish the job. I sure as hell wouldn't trade 1st's for that piece of shit... Peyton Manning, yes... Cassell, HELL NO!!!

Frosty · 01-29-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Someone give me one downside of Sanchez (minus experience)

Duh - he played at USC so he's just like Leinart.

chiefscafan · 01-29-2009, 02:43 PM

I've been saying for awhile we need to trade down at least twice and gain more 2 be round picks. I love the idea tradding down and eventually receiving two Philadelphia picks then tradding the later first for cassel and build I line with the 2 be and third round picks.

**The Franchise** · 01-29-2009, 02:44 PM

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Oh, and to add to the fun, here comes zilla to tell us why NFL GM's are stupid for using a chart to determine value for draft picks.

We're covering all the bases in this thread.

All we need now is someone to suggest that Philadelphia may want to trade up to 3 to take Crabtree, and give us both their 1st round picks in return.

HAT TRICK.

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I've been saying for awhile we need to trade down at least twice and gain more 2 be round picks. I love the idea tradding down and eventually receiving two Philadelphia picks then tradding the later first for cassel and build I line with the 2 be and third round picks.

HAT TRICK!

You've found your man.

Chiefnj2 · 01-29-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Someone give me one downside of Sanchez (minus experience)

Isn't that like saying "someone give me one downside to X(minus the fact he can't hit water falling out of a boat)"

Experience seems to be a factor as big as accuracy.

Who will play QB next year if KC takes Sanchez and he isn't ready to start?

01-29-2009, 10:52 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6056719	The Chiefs shouldn't select a QB in the 1st round The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell. The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent. If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.
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01-29-2009, 02:38 PM	#143
Chiefaholic Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2841169	We were unsuccessful in trading out of the #5 spot last year with arguably the best athlete still on the board because we weren't offered fair compensation. What makes you thing somebody will ante up even more fo the #3 spot? I want a freakin' playmaker drafted. I want the type of guy who can change the outcome of the game like DT used to do. After being miserable watching the Chiefs week after week looking like the practice squad on the field, trading down doesn't cut it for me. We can't go into this draft thinking that we'll take the best QB available. We have to enter draft day looking for the guy who takes over a game, whether it be offense or defense. If Stafford's there, snatch him up, if not take the next best athlete reguardless of position.
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Chiefaholic Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2841169	Oh yeah... Take Matt Cassell and shove him up your keyster. He's average at best playing with a supporting cast of Pro-Bowl talent all around him. Even with all that talent, he wasn't good enough to finish the job. I sure as hell wouldn't trade 1st's for that piece of shit... Peyton Manning, yes... Cassell, HELL NO!!!
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chiefscafan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA Casino cash: $9688215	I've been saying for awhile we need to trade down at least twice and gain more 2 be round picks. I love the idea tradding down and eventually receiving two Philadelphia picks then tradding the later first for cassel and build I line with the 2 be and third round picks.
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