Chiefs The Chiefs shouldn't select a QB in the 1st round - Page 50

kcbubb · 01-29-2009, 10:52 AM

The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell.

The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent.

If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.

beach tribe · 02-03-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

IMO most coaches dont get fired over draft picks

No they get fired because their teams suck w/o a franchise QB.

ChiefRon · 02-03-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

No they get fired because their teams suck w/o a franchise QB.

QFT

Micjones · 02-03-2009, 04:28 PM

The QB position needs to be addressed one way or another.
Drafting one might make the most sense...
Unless we can come up with a way to get Cassel away from New England without mortgaging the franchise.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-03-2009, 04:32 PM

It just goes to show that people will make up any argument they want to make their point work.

And so, when I make a comment that GMs in the top 10 are usually stupid and reeruned because they rely exclusively on the draft chart, I hear people say that "they are NFL GMs, you are not. Therefore, not all GMs are stupid." But when I make the comment that a bunch of GMs passed up on a franchise QB, of course, it's because those GMS are stupid and since have been fired.

It's amazing to me that nobody here concedes taht maybe, JUST MAYBE, Brady Quinn fell in the draft because he wasn't evaluated nearly as high as everyone claimed he should have been taken. Just like Derrick Johnson wasn't as good as he was hyped up to be on some boards. Just like guys every year who get rated in the top 10 and then fall out of the first round. It happens every year.

Folks, I like Mark Sanchez, but he's not a slam dunk. And I promise you that there will be a lot of people outside of Kansas City that will say the same thing. And the argument you will hear most is that he went into the NFL one year too soon.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-03-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Folks, I like Mark Sanchez, but he's not a slam dunk. And I promise you that there will be a lot of people outside of Kansas City that will say the same thing. And the argument you will hear most is that he went into the NFL one year too soon.

So? Big ****ing deal?

How in your RIGHT MIND could you advocate passing on him because he's not a "slam dunk"? That's just plain stupid.

The ONLY "slam dunk" IMO that EVER entered the draft was Peyton Manning.

And where was he drafted again?

Oh yeah. First overall.

ChiefsCountry · 02-03-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Sorry, but you don't let a franchise QB slip that far. The draftniks had Quinn pegged as a top 3 pick, and tons of teams with an unstable QB situation passed on him. But if you actually paid attention, there were lots of experts who were very concerned about Quinn because he was very inaccurate as a college player and that he missed way too many easy throws at Notre Dame that he would never get away with in the pros.

The freaking league office thought he would be a top 5 pick as well or they wouldnt have invited him to New York for the draft. It wasnt just the draftniks.

beach tribe · 02-03-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So? Big ****ing deal?

How in your RIGHT MIND could you advocate passing on him because he's not a "slam dunk"? That's just plain stupid.

The ONLY "slam dunk" IMO that EVER entered the draft was Peyton Manning.

And where was he drafted again?

Oh yeah. First overall.

When are people going to figure this out?

NO QB is slam dunk. NONE. ZERO. NATTA. There's not one. Like you said, Peyton was the closest, but even he wasn't a guaranteed thing. They do not exist.

beach tribe · 02-03-2009, 05:08 PM

On that note, there isn't FA QB who is a slam dunk either.

kcbubb · 02-03-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It just goes to show that people will make up any argument they want to make their point work.

And so, when I make a comment that GMs in the top 10 are usually stupid and reeruned because they rely exclusively on the draft chart, I hear people say that "they are NFL GMs, you are not. Therefore, not all GMs are stupid." But when I make the comment that a bunch of GMs passed up on a franchise QB, of course, it's because those GMS are stupid and since have been fired.

It's amazing to me that nobody here concedes taht maybe, JUST MAYBE, Brady Quinn fell in the draft because he wasn't evaluated nearly as high as everyone claimed he should have been taken. Just like Derrick Johnson wasn't as good as he was hyped up to be on some boards. Just like guys every year who get rated in the top 10 and then fall out of the first round. It happens every year.

Folks, I like Mark Sanchez, but he's not a slam dunk. And I promise you that there will be a lot of people outside of Kansas City that will say the same thing. And the argument you will hear most is that he went into the NFL one year too soon.

Most of these guys would rather have Mark Sanchez than Matt Cassel and 5 picks. They aren't being rational. Matt Cassel and the Patriots had the 5th ranked offense last year. With that many picks, you could build an offense similar to the Pats. It's all about the QB, less about the team.

**The Franchise** · 02-03-2009, 05:16 PM

How are you going to get Matt Cassel and 5 picks?

**The Franchise** · 02-03-2009, 05:17 PM

And don't say trade down.

beach tribe · 02-03-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Most of these guys would rather have Mark Sanchez than Matt Cassel and 5 picks. They aren't being rational. Matt Cassel and the Patriots had the 5th ranked offense last year. With that many picks, you could build an offense similar to the Pats. It's all about the QB, less about the team.

BS. No one here would say that if we were getting 5 picks. We won't be getting ANY picks, we will be GIVING UP picks. So what the hell are you talking about?

kstater · 02-03-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

How are you going to get Matt Cassel and 5 picks?

In crazy la la land of course.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-03-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by arc

Who used a high draft pick on what they thought was a franchise QB.

The 64th pick ain't exactly an uber-high selection.

Frosty · 02-03-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The 64th pick ain't exactly an uber-high selection.

Not uber-high, no. However, I don't think anyone outside of Carl Peterson considers a 2nd round pick a throwaway pick.

01-29-2009, 10:52 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6066719	The Chiefs shouldn't select a QB in the 1st round The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell. The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent. If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1844497	It just goes to show that people will make up any argument they want to make their point work. And so, when I make a comment that GMs in the top 10 are usually stupid and reeruned because they rely exclusively on the draft chart, I hear people say that "they are NFL GMs, you are not. Therefore, not all GMs are stupid." But when I make the comment that a bunch of GMs passed up on a franchise QB, of course, it's because those GMS are stupid and since have been fired. It's amazing to me that nobody here concedes taht maybe, JUST MAYBE, Brady Quinn fell in the draft because he wasn't evaluated nearly as high as everyone claimed he should have been taken. Just like Derrick Johnson wasn't as good as he was hyped up to be on some boards. Just like guys every year who get rated in the top 10 and then fall out of the first round. It happens every year. Folks, I like Mark Sanchez, but he's not a slam dunk. And I promise you that there will be a lot of people outside of Kansas City that will say the same thing. And the argument you will hear most is that he went into the NFL one year too soon.
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