Chiefs vrabel a chief - Page 44

oldandslow · 02-27-2009, 01:24 PM

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kcbubb · 02-27-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If I can only choose between the two (I'm not advocating either, FWIW) I take Lewis.

In Lewis, you're getting a guy that is going to give you better on-field play, the leadership you're looking for, and doesn't appear to be declining as quickly as Vrabel is. All while keeping your draft pick.

In both cases, you're getting a rental that won't be here when the team is competing for a championship - I'd rather have the one that will be a better player and doesn't cost a draft pick.

Think of Vrabel more like a inexpensive reliable player that will add to depth. He's not the savior. Just a role player. He doesn't have a big contract. He may start but I'm sure he will rotate with someone.

**SAUTO** · 02-27-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We should trade our other picks for Bruschi and Izzo.

I mean, Vrabel is going to be busy trying to change the thinking of the other 52 guys.

no one is advocating that

htismaqe · 02-27-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And I've said before, I'm not advocating it, just using it as an example.

I guess it's better to trade for a guy and force him to be somewhere he doesn't want to be?

How do you know he doesn't want to be here?

**SAUTO** · 02-27-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And I've said before, I'm not advocating it, just using it as an example.

I guess it's better to trade for a guy and force him to be somewhere he doesn't want to be?

has he said he doesnt want to be here?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

but man the money is so different between the 2 vrabel is the better one if they both are on the decline IMO

So, which is it?

People are complaining that we haven't spent any of the $57M we have available, now were talking about saving money?

Again, I'm not advocating signing Lewis.

But if you're giving me a choice between signing Lewis, or trading for Vrabel, and those are my only two choices - give me the better player everytime.

BostonTim · 02-27-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And that leader isn't already on the team? (Gonzalez, as an example)

Wasn't available in FA? (Lewis, as an example)

Some of you guys are acting like Vrabel is the second coming of Vince Lombardi in the leadership department.

God forbid that we cultivate our own leaders.

Pioli will truly value the veteran leadership that you do have, especially Tony. But Vrable if not the second coming, has indeed been a strong leader on team team crawling with leadership. And of course you will develop your own leaders. But why would you objest to his bringing in one of his PROVEN guys to assit in the transition nand to help in that process? .

I think a lot of the reponse talking to his leadership is to the high panic factor in the early stages of this thread.

For a modest pick, and a modest salary for a one year commitment (if he makes the team of course) it isn't really a big deal.

Stop (suggests the dreaded Pats fan) kicking and screaming and embrace the change. Or at least give Pioli a couple week honeymoon.

Cheers, bostonTim

rad · 02-27-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And that leader isn't already on the team? (Gonzalez, as an example)

Wasn't available in FA? (Lewis, as an example)

Some of you guys are acting like Vrabel is the second coming of Vince Lombardi in the leadership department.

God forbid that we cultivate our own leaders.

I don't think Ray Lewis fits the Pioli Profile(big, smart, etc...)

If you gave me the choice between an overpriced Lewis and Vrabel, I'd take Vrabel every time. This is considering the pick we traded is a 5, 6 or 7.

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 05:08 PM

I'll have to see what the pick is before I really decide one way or the other.

Chief3188 · 02-27-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Because it's not unless the guy rushes the passer.....do you know how many LB's have been taken top 3 in the last 20 years...2, and they both bombed.

LB is the RB of defense it's not hard to find good LBs in the middle rounds.

Now if we were running the 4-3 I might agree but in the 3-4 LB's are very important.

I don't think anyone should go off of stats of previous drafts to determine what player they think is worth taking. Look at each player individually as I hope our scouts and front office are doing.

Like I said I don't care who we take as long as they live up to where we drafted them at. I just don't think any player outside of the obvious like Kicker and Center should be eliminated from being a possible top 5 pick just because the position they play. It should never be about the position they play but about the impact they can have on the team in my opinion but I do see where you are coming from.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-27-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And I've said before, I'm not advocating it, just using it as an example.

I guess it's better to trade for a guy and force him to be somewhere he doesn't want to be?

I don't know why you think that Vrabel would refuse to come.

I'm just saying that Ray Lewis's ego would not allow him to come to a team like the Chiefs.

Chief3188 · 02-27-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'll have to see what the pick is before I really decide one way or the other.

I will have to see how the pick actually plays for New Englad versus how Vrabel plays for us before I decide

Mecca · 02-27-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief3188

Now if we were running the 4-3 I might agree but in the 3-4 LB's are very important.

I don't think anyone should go off of stats of previous drafts to determine what player they think is worth taking. Look at each player individually as I hope our scouts and front office are doing.

Like I said I don't care who we take as long as they live up to where we drafted them at. I just don't think any player outside of the obvious like Kicker and Center should be eliminated from being a possible top 5 pick just because the position they play. It should never be about the position they play but about the impact they can have on the team in my opinion but I do see where you are coming from.

They are only more valuable in the 3-4 because the OLBs are the DE's IE pass rushers and I just said a pass rusher is worth the pick so I did cover that.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-27-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

How do you know he doesn't want to be here?

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

has he said he doesnt want to be here?

I'm not claiming that Vrabel doesn't want to be here. I'm responding to this post:

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I don't think there's any chance in hell a Ray Lewis type comes here on his own.

Just making the point that just because a guy was traded for doesn't mean he's happy about it.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-27-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

Hamas was about to blow a gasket. You share his opinions. 100% of the time. Besides, disagreeing with Pioli's decision works just as well in my argument, forget I said "up in arms" and imagine I said "disagrees", K? Thanks, champ.

This is reductive.

I was blowing a gasket for many reasons

#1 was the fact that we are going to be marginalizing Dorsey by moving to a 3-4
#2 was the fact that we are going to give up a draft pick for a broke dick linebacker.

crazycoffey · 02-27-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I don't really see what stafford, sanchez or anybody else have to do with what I said. I'm not saying I think it's a high price for cassel because I want somebody else; I'm saying I think it's a high price for cassel because I think it's a high price for cassel...

I understand that, I'm saying cassel's actually played a down in the NFL, so his cost should be more than any Draftee. I also don't think his risk is any different than say Sanchez specifically. Finally, his reward is the same, for arguemental purposes, as anyone in the draft. He makes the throws, right? He plays in a pro offensive, right? He's seen the speed at this level, right? I don't see how we KNOW stafford or sanchez are shoe ins for success at the next level.

- Just FYI - I'm only debating the subject for the purpose of debating all the scenerios and to learn more about other's opinions. I personally think it's Stafford or Curry at #3 (if they're both gone, IDK what I think) and if we don't get stafford we pick a QB with 2 or 3 and maybe even another on the second day. Croyle, thigpen, a vet (maybe) and two rookies to start camp? why not?

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