Cassel or Sanchez?

[KCBOSS1]

I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by LOCOChief

I went to a ballgame last night with a bunch of NE fans, and they found it comical when I told them the growing concensus of people on this board are hoping that KC picks Sanchez at 3 and that Cassel isn't a franchise talent.

Their thinking was "Merry Christmas KC" afterall these are fans that didin't miss a game with Cassel under center.

A growing concensus? I wasn't aware.

That is comical. What a dumb move that would be.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

This needs to be emphasized.

While QB's may benefit GREATLY from a WR's ability to run after the catch, that same QB can single-handedly KILL a WR's ability to actually do it.

I don't think we've denied this to be true... but, Jason wants to act as if NE's success was more Cassel and not the system. No biggie though.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I never said Brady was a top 2-3 guy in his first year. I said he's been in a system that has helped him be a top 2-3 guy for the last half decade.

In his first season, he won a SB... who gives a shit what his QB rank was that year? Cassel had better stats in 2008 compared to Brady in 2001, but what does it matter... Cassel never saw post-season and his reward was being sent to KC.

yep the only player that has to do with winning a super bowl is the QB

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Messier

Since 2000 50% of the QB's taken in the top five are still starting and one is JaMarcus Russell, so who knows how long that will last.

My stats go back to 1970 to give a better sample set.
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[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I don't think we've denied this to be true... but, Jason wants to act as if NE's success was more Cassel and not the system. No biggie though.

you must not be able to read well i have NEVER acted like that. read back through my posts here, i have said multiple times that BOTH were the cause of the offensive production

[SAUTO]

OTW started this on the YAC and acted like thats the only reason that cassel had 400+ yard games. i stated that the Qbs ball placement had a lot to do with it, never once said all

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

OTW started this on the YAC and acted like thats the only reason that cassel had 400+ yard games. i stated that the Qbs ball placement had a lot to do with it, never once said all

Again, bullshit.

The "only" reason?

No.

A HUGE reason?

Absolutely.

Again, the stats don't lie. He lead the league in YAC. Close to 60% IIRC.

He's not going to have the luxury of Moss and WElker in KC, so I fully expect that number, as well as his total yardage, to drop significantly.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Again, bullshit.

The "only" reason?

No.

A HUGE reason?

Absolutely.

Again, the stats don't lie. He lead the league in YAC. Close to 60% IIRC.

He's not going to have the luxury of Moss and WElker in KC, so I fully expect that number, as well as his total yardage, to drop significantly.

well we'll see thats why they play em on sundays

[kysirsoze]

I can't believe even CP still has almost 400 posts (so far) to dedicate to this subject.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by milkman

Colt McCoy!



You people are ****ing clueless.

JFC

Damnit, Milk! It's "McCroyle"!...McCroyle.
And Ditto.

Originally Posted by DTLB58

If true, of course there is no chance that he will ever improve

Afterall, We all know a QB never improves his game after starting just 1 year in the NFL.

Chase own tail hypocritically much?

Originally Posted by DTLB58

Well, Finally! Another True Fan to share my Kool-Aid with! Yay!

FYP.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Did you watch either of those games?

I recall a play in each of those:

One was a short pass to Welker who made someone miss and ran for over 60 yards before being push OOB.

Another was a similar play to Sam Aiken, who ran for close to 50.

Cassel led the league in yards after the catch. Let's not make it out like he's the one responsible for these mammoth yardage numbers.

Oh, and they were 1-1 in those 2 games.

Why Warpath, that sounds an awful lot like...like...like...HIT IT!
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=205749

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

I have never said he's the exception. Never said he could rush the passer. Only said there's no reason to think he cant. He's shown he can get in the backfield when asked.

Also said it dont matter. I'd take him either way.

I've also said that 4-3 LBs are not generally converted to 3-4 because of physical stature. You dont read what I say. You just pound the keyboard hoping that if you say the same thing over and over that it will apply.

But it doesn't. I'd take him at either position.

Okay, fine. You're right. Aaron Curry is the first 250-pound LB to ever enter the draft. 4-3 LBs aren't converted into 3-4 OLBs because THEY ARE NOT PASS RUSHERS. You apparently think that all pass rushing is just about running after the QB on the blitz. It's not. There is a ton of technique and it takes years to perfect. And those who work at it often still don't get it right. You have to know how to time the snaps, play with your hands on the ground at times, explode off the snap (very important), know a wide assortment of pass rush moves, be proficient at shedding blocks when engaged, know how to swim past left tackles who are very, very good at blocking you. We have little evidence about how he can do on these things. But what we do know is that he won't be nearly as good at it as a DE who has trained on this for the past 4 years.

You act as if the only thing that's important for a 3-4 OLB is to have speed and size. That's not the case. You have to know how to play the position. Aaron Curry does NOT know how to play the position. He can do 25% of it, but is extremely raw at the other 75% of it. 4-3 OLBs aren't picked to play 3-4 OLB not because of physical stature, but because they lack the skill set to play DE.

Aaron Curry is a top 10 pick because he has a complete skill set. And his strength is in pass coverage and in instincts--those are two things he would do significantly less of in a 3-4 as an OLB. If you draft him as a 3-4 OLB, you are essentially asking him to do a lot less of what he is really, really good at, and asking him to do a lot more of what we know nothing about--his pass rushing ability. Rather than gamble on an undersized LB with virtually no training as a pass rusher and little in-game experience at it, why don't you do what 100% of 3-4 defenses are doing? Draft a DE and then force them to become at least average at LB responsibilities.

Sorry, you keep saying that playing Curry at 3-4 OLB isn't an exception. And yet you can't answer the question of why 100% of 3-4 OLBs played DE in college and why 15 of 16 3-4 OLBs weigh more than Curry does. And don't tell me that Curry is the only 250+-pound LB to enter the draft. He isn't.

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Okay, fine. You're right. Aaron Curry is the first 250-pound LB to ever enter the draft. 4-3 LBs aren't converted into 3-4 OLBs because THEY ARE NOT PASS RUSHERS. You apparently think that all pass rushing is just about running after the QB on the blitz. It's not. There is a ton of technique and it takes years to perfect. And those who work at it often still don't get it right. You have to know how to time the snaps, play with your hands on the ground at times, explode off the snap (very important), know a wide assortment of pass rush moves, be proficient at shedding blocks when engaged, know how to swim past left tackles who are very, very good at blocking you. We have little evidence about how he can do on these things. But what we do know is that he won't be nearly as good at it as a DE who has trained on this for the past 4 years.

You act as if the only thing that's important for a 3-4 OLB is to have speed and size. That's not the case. You have to know how to play the position. Aaron Curry does NOT know how to play the position. He can do 25% of it, but is extremely raw at the other 75% of it. 4-3 OLBs aren't picked to play 3-4 OLB not because of physical stature, but because they lack the skill set to play DE.

Aaron Curry is a top 10 pick because he has a complete skill set. And his strength is in pass coverage and in instincts--those are two things he would do significantly less of in a 3-4 as an OLB. If you draft him as a 3-4 OLB, you are essentially asking him to do a lot less of what he is really, really good at, and asking him to do a lot more of what we know nothing about--his pass rushing ability. Rather than gamble on an undersized LB with virtually no training as a pass rusher and little in-game experience at it, why don't you do what 100% of 3-4 defenses are doing? Draft a DE and then force them to become at least average at LB responsibilities.

Sorry, you keep saying that playing Curry at 3-4 OLB isn't an exception. And yet you can't answer the question of why 100% of 3-4 OLBs played DE in college and why 15 of 16 3-4 OLBs weigh more than Curry does. And don't tell me that Curry is the only 250+-pound LB to enter the draft. He isn't.

1st 250 lb LBer to enter the draft?

Smoke another one, bud.

Nothing you said applies to what I said.

I dont care if he can rush the passer. I'd still take him. What part of that dont you get? I simply said you dont know he cant do it, and that translates into me claiming he's good at it. you're just looking for an arguement, and putting words in my mouth.

Inside, outside, middle, I dont give a shit. I take Curry at #3 because he's the best player at a position of need.

Find another cause buddy. You're pissing in the wind.

If he's gone, then maybe I look at a DE. Otherwise I pick Curry reguardless. I cant be any clearer than that.

Let's hear your perfect player @3 and I'll show you how to effectively pick them apart. Since you're obviously interested in a pissing contest. Give us your "better player than Curry" that warrants the 3rd pick in the draft.

[Hammock Parties]

We already have our two starting middle linebackers.

Zach Thomas didn't come here to sit on the bench.

And we're not going to draft Curry, pay him 50 mil, and sit him on the bench.

And he's not going to play outside linebacker.

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by Claythan

We already have our two starting middle linebackers.

Zach Thomas didn't come here to sit on the bench.

And we're not going to draft Curry, pay him 50 mil, and sit him on the bench.

And he's not going to play outside linebacker.

It's cute that you think you have a football opinion of any reasonable value. You are the anti-knowledge.

Zack Thomas........hahahahaha.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Claythan

We already have our two starting middle linebackers.

Zach Thomas didn't come here to sit on the bench.

And we're not going to draft Curry, pay him 50 mil, and sit him on the bench.

And he's not going to play outside linebacker.

Mmm...they don't like it when REALITY pisses all over their Chosen One, yes?

Bwuhahahahahahaaaa!