A few Chiefs' draft questions

[chiefzilla1501]

-I just realized that one major mistake people are making is assuming that the Chiefs are going to have a top 5 pick. I think it's very possible that Tampa, St. Louis, Cleveland, and Tennessee could pick higher than us. If that's the case, Berry and Suh are taken off the board. Is Cody a bad pick in this case? I actually think he'd be a great pick if those guys are off the board.
-If the Chiefs end up at #5 or #6, do you entertain a trade down? I think the Chiefs could trade down and still get Mays or Cody. And these two draft slots are attractive enough to trade out of
-If Berry and Suh are off the board, is there a player that teams would actually trade up for? I don't want Bradford at all, but is he a player teams would trade up for? What about Dunlap out of Florida?
-If Jimmy Claussen declares (which I don't think he will), is he worth the pick? My opinion--I would even trade up and take him. I think this kid is going to be the best QB prospect in years.
-If Jake Locker declares, is he worth a look? He looks like he'll be a real good QB, but I can't help but think he's going to be Brady Quinn or maybe a less mobile, slightly more accurate version of Cassel

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Umm... No. Nose tackles don't get paid a lot of money and that is easily the most important position in a 3-4. The bar is set pretty much at 5 years $21-22 Million. Aaron Smith signed a 4-year, $25 Million contract and he's old. And unless you're an absolute superstar at safety, they don't get paid dick either. If I'm not mistaken Ty Warren and Aaron Smith get paid more than any nose tackle in the league.

Whatever.

Very few teams covet 5 tech defensive ends.

Oh, and Dallas is #11 overall in points scored.

I'd take that anyday of the week over yards.

[ChiefsCountry]

Jimmy Clausen the best QB prospect in years? Holy shit that is funny. Clausen doesnt even hold Stafford or Sanchez's jock from last year.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Jimmy Clausen the best QB prospect in years? Holy shit that is funny. Clausen doesnt even hold Stafford or Sanchez's jock from last year.

I don't think Stafford was a can't-miss prospect. I worried about his inconsistency and still do. I think he'll be a lesser version of Jay Cutler--a big arm who is frustratingly inconsistent. And Sanchez came into the NFL very raw and I still think he is--he's playing much better than people expected, but there are still a lot of things in his game he needs to work on. I think you're making the mistake of looking at these QBs in hindsight and not on foresight. Matt Ryan has turned into a terrific QB, but there were a lot of experts who didn't think he was can't miss.

Yes, I do think when Clausen enters the draft, he'll be a can't miss QB prospect.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by milkman

Let's take a look at last year's draft, and sub Moreno in for Jackson.

In the third round we take Antione Caldwell, 4th, Jonathan Luigs, 5th Johnny Knox.

Follow that up this next draft, we take Suh in the first, Jerry Hughes and Ciron Black in the second, Boo Robinson in the third and Brandon Lang in the fourth.

How would that look going forward?

Shit yeah. I was the only person on the board talking that guy up last year.

[Coogs]

Here is the order at the top after yesterdays games courtesy of GBN...

Rams, Titans get wins; Bucs got to top of draft order… St. Louis and Tennessee both got their initial wins of the 2009 season Sunday afternoon with the Rams edging Detroit to end a 17-game losing streak, while the Titans knocked off Jacksonville. That leaves Tampa Bay, which had a bye this week, as the NFL’s only remaining winless team. As such, if the 2010 draft were held today 0-7 Tampa Bay would have the first pick overall, followed by St. Louis and Cleveland, both at 1-7, and Kansas City, Tennessee and Detroit, each of which is 1-6.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by doomy3

Are you trying to imply that Tyson Jackson was rated as a mid to late round pick?

He was predicted to go 15 or lower.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

He was predicted to go 15 or lower.

Not in the last few days before the draft. Gosselin had him as the 6th best player in the draft.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

So, essentially you linked us to sites of people that wanted to shed Bruce Smith in the best possible light?

That wanted to make a case for him as a better DE than Reggie White, without actually having a ****ing clue?

Bruce Smith's sacks came in a 43 set.

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/757310.html

"Most guys that are able to get a tremendous amount of sacks are in a 4-3 defense, where they don't always get double teamed as much as I did," said Smith, who played in a 4-3 with the Redskins. "A lot of the great pass rushers usually had another dominant pass rusher along with them. Reggie White had Clyde Simmons (121 sacks, 13th all-time). You look at Deacon Jones, he had (Hall of Fame defensive tackle) Merlin Olson, the Fearsome Foursome, 4-3 defense.

"There were a number of other defensive ends and pass rushers that were dominant players. But when you accomplish what I did in a 3-4 defense you have to sit back, shake your head and say that's pretty damn impressive."

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/757310.html

"Most guys that are able to get a tremendous amount of sacks are in a 4-3 defense, where they don't always get double teamed as much as I did," said Smith, who played in a 4-3 with the Redskins. "A lot of the great pass rushers usually had another dominant pass rusher along with them. Reggie White had Clyde Simmons (121 sacks, 13th all-time). You look at Deacon Jones, he had (Hall of Fame defensive tackle) Merlin Olson, the Fearsome Foursome, 4-3 defense.

"There were a number of other defensive ends and pass rushers that were dominant players. But when you accomplish what I did in a 3-4 defense you have to sit back, shake your head and say that's pretty damn impressive."

He wasn't a ****ing 5 tech, Dumbass

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He wasn't a ****ing 5 tech, Dumbass

I think I already said I made a mistake earlier didn't I? If I didn't or you feel it wasn't adequate enough, "I ****ed up and while reading about a few players, and I got my facts mixed up."

that make you feel better?

Now if you are a big enough man, you can admit you were wrong about the whole ****ing defense they lined up in because I was right on that much of the whole argument.

I don't expect you to though.

have a good one!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I think I already said I made a mistake earlier didn't I? If I didn't or you feel it wasn't adequate enough, "I ****ed up and while reading about a few players, and I got my facts mixed up."

that make you feel better?

Now if you are a big enough man, you can admit you were wrong about the whole ****ing defense they lined up in because I was right on that much of the whole argument.

I don't expect you to though.

have a good one!

Go **** yourself, Dipshit.

NO ONE denies that the Chiefs of the early 90's or the Bills of that same era ran a 3-4, you ****ing reerun. As a matter of fact, I was friends with the Bills nose tackle, Jeff Wright, who played at Coffeyville with a bunch of my friends.

BUT, you tried to claim that Bruce and Neil Smith were 5 technique players, which is not only blatantly incorrect, but ****ing stupid to boot.

You'd be wise to shut the **** up but clearly, that's not your strong point.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Go **** yourself, Dipshit.

NO ONE denies that the Chiefs of the early 90's or the Bills of that same era ran a 3-4, you ****ing reerun. As a matter of fact, I was friends with the Bills nose tackle, Jeff Wright, who played at Coffeyville with a bunch of my friends.

BUT, you tried to claim that Bruce and Neil Smith were 5 technique players, which is not only blatantly incorrect, but ****ing stupid to boot.

You'd be wise to shut the **** up but clearly, that's not your strong point.

You love putting words in my mouth, I understand...

Go read the post I quoted of Milkmans that was the one I chose to go off of because you reped it as in wrong leaving "your a football reerun".

the last line says clear as day "bruce smiths sacks came in a 4-3 set"

I understand you want to act all high and mighty and don't want to admit you were wrong, like I did when I actually was.

Going back and reading my posts, I never even said Bruce played the 5-tec. I said (mistakenly and said it once before correcting myself) Neil Smith did.

My cousin in North Dakota played with Phil Hanson in college too, that is why I said he played in the 3-4 before providing a link.

Get over yourself.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You love putting words in my mouth, I understand...

I'm not going to go back and read shit.

You're just trying to cover your tracks after talking out of your ass. You clearly have NO knowledge of the players involved, hence your "Google".

Again, you'd be wise to shut the **** up but of course, you'll continue to make yourself look even more foolish.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Some elite 3-4 defensive ends have had that many tackles, some (like Bruce Smith and even Neil Smith) have good sack production as well.

those arent typical 5 tecs though, they were used differently.

Bruce Smith had years where he had over 100 tackles and more than 10 sacks as a 3-4 end. http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/SmitBr00.htm

Neil Smith was more like 60-70 tackles and 7 or so sacks while in the 3-4
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/SmitNe00.htm


there are other examples, but those were different systems they ran. Sure it was a 3-4, but every player had different responsibilities than what our scheme calls for Those are also HOF examples where there were probably only another handfull of players that could do those things in the history of the NFL I know of....

In our system, the jobs of the 3 down linemen is to tie up the 5 olinemen so that the backers can roam and make plays rather than make the plays themselves.

Look at Seymour now as opposed to what he did in NE, completely different responsibilities.

here is my original post you misunderstood as me calling them 5-tecs

you are mixing my input in the conversation with chiefzillas!

Go ahead and call me an idiot again though if it makes you feel better.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm not going to go back and read shit.

You're just trying to cover your tracks after talking out of your ass. You clearly have NO knowledge of the players involved, hence your "Google".

Again, you'd be wise to shut the **** up but of course, you'll continue to make yourself look even more foolish.

my google was to prove he played in a ****ing 3-4. It gives about 20 links to prove he played in the 3-4.

I wonder about people sometimes.