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Direckshun · 11-17-2009, 04:22 PM

I don't see Haley as being too angry -- not any angrier than most of us are throughout games at some of the dumbass things this awful team does. He clearly has his pet peeves (hello delay of game), but for the most part he seems to be genuinely pissed at dumb mistakes and at players that simply can't get it done.

Another thing is that his anger is generally very fairly spread out -- he'll bitch out a scrub like Savage and franchise players like Cassel and Bowe within minutes of each other.

I keep reading everywhere, from the Chiefs blogosphere to Peter King, that this is an emotion that Haley will have to curb. I've heard it here from people on this team that Haley has to cool it or he risks losing the team.

Really? Intolerance of dumbass mistakes risks losing the team?

I'm sorry, but I sat through the seemingly endless patience of Dick Vermeil and the zen-like ignorance of Herm Edwards during games. Haley's temperament, considering how sick I'm becoming of how awful this team is, seems pitch perfect.

Oxford · 11-17-2009, 07:40 PM

Not at all. I think he has to establish this pattern this year, and then back off next year. Yelling all of the time becomes predictable and has less impact over time. This is a lot like basic training, "break em down", then "build them back". The real question is how does Haley react when he is confronted by a player for a legitimate reason. How he handles that will speak more than "yelling on the sideline"

Fairplay · 11-17-2009, 07:47 PM

beach tribe · 11-17-2009, 07:52 PM

I love it.

Damn right. With the crap these guys do, I'd be pissed if he didn't give them a:
What The ****!!!!!!!! every now, and then.

Players do hate it, but they also respond to it.

**RNR** · 11-17-2009, 08:01 PM

He reminds me of Gruden, he has a natural animation of emotion. He also seems like he is playing for camera now and it comes off disingenuous to me. Gruden was passionate and animated and then it became rehearsed. Haley seems to be getting a case of the big head and with what he has accomplished it is a bit premature IMO

Mama Hip Rockets · 11-17-2009, 08:03 PM

if he wasn't such a dumbass himself, nobody would care that he's angry. but i don't see why he yells at the players for screwing up, say, a draw play that he called on 3rd and 9.

GoHuge · 11-17-2009, 08:23 PM

I think this anger issue is way over blown. You saw him explode on Bowe for adding to the litany of his stupid on sunday in a crucial situation. From what I could see it was you ****er, ****er, ****er but i'm not a lip reading expert. Right when they come back from commercial he's sitting with Bowe calmly talking and explaining what he did wrong. We see maybe ten percent of the interaction between these people and it's during crunch time. Of course with Arrowhead being Fort Knox we're not going to ever get an inside look at what really goes on. My point is if Todd was really angry all the time and treated these guys like garbage they wouldn't respond at all and we'd hear more grumblings. Just look at Water's bitch fit to fatass. If these guys where really being abused we would hear about it, but I do agree that Todd needs to check his out burst on the sideline a little bit, which he readily admits. I know the haters will say he does it so much he should, but I've never heard an NFL coach own up to the mistakes he's made more quickly than Todd. I respect a guy that says he's not perfect and has got to get better himself. The people here that don't like him just don't like him for whatever reason they don't. I think the guy has what it takes and alot of the people here will have to find a new gripe when he starts winning. He's in a no win right now. Even if the guy ends up with five wins with basically the same talent as last year the haters would just say it's because Herm was so bad. Everyone knows what a mess he inherited but since it's not fixed in nine games and there's no more Herm and Carl the Bitchers here have to spew their drivel at somebody. It's what they do.....I'm probably next on their list for not being on their bash all the time bandwagon. Flame away!
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-17-2009, 08:33 PM

Meh. Results inconclusive.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-17-2009, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

...he's got to give as much as he takes...if he loses that balance, it won't matter.

That's part of the issue, Steve.

He has no problem dishing it out, but can't seem to take it.

He had no problem screaming at Cassel for the botched exchange with Charles, or at Bowe for supposedly lining up incorrectly.

But when Mo Carthon apparently makes a comment about calling a timeout when you know the opposition is calling a QB sneak, and have it defensed perfectly, only to see that TO called as the play is being shut down - and then seeing Haley go ballistic at Mo for calling him out on his mistake - that's not balance.

Just because he owns up to mistakes in the media after the fact doesn't absolve him of not being able to take the same criticism he dishes out on the field on gameday.

**DeezNutz** · 11-17-2009, 08:40 PM

I have no problem with a HC demanding perfection and then being an absolute cluster****, himself, on Sundays.

"Apparently, you don't want to coach today!"

**** these rich athletes. Long on the two-yard deep post.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-17-2009, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

"Apparently, you don't want to coach today!"

Chiefnj2 · 11-17-2009, 08:47 PM

Every time Haley gets angry he calls a 3rd and long draw play.

**Easy 6** · 11-17-2009, 08:55 PM

Kansas City... the name itself evokes a 1000 rugged images, a true Gateway to the wild, Wild West... Wyatt Earp walked those streets dispensing frontier justice... a city built on the backs on some of the most rugged, rawboned roving cowboys, gamblers, shady guns for hire and hardy settlers to have ever walked on Gods green Earth...

Yet what is hairlipping the descendants (literal/nearby/in spirit), of this gritty, unfazed by hardship and coarse manner American stock?...yup, you guessed it pard... a few curse words,from a man that doesnt cotton to halfassed effort, a fighting spirit that wants to WIN so badly that he just cant hide it...

For those that think this is such a terrible thing, reach down, grab your balls and workboots, take a deep breath and get a grip.

**DeezNutz** · 11-17-2009, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free

Kansas City... the name itself evokes a 1000 rugged images, a true Gateway to the wild, Wild West... Wyatt Earp walked those streets dispensing frontier justice... a city built on the backs on some of the most rugged, rawboned roving cowboys, gamblers, shady guns for hire and hardy settlers to have ever walked on Gods green Earth...

Yet what is hairlipping the descendants (literal/nearby/in spirit), of this gritty, unfazed by hardship and coarse manner American stock?...yup, you guessed it pard... a few curse words,from a man that doesnt cotton to halfassed effort, a fighting spirit that wants to WIN so badly that he just cant hide it...

For those that think this is such a terrible thing, reach down, grab your balls and workboots, take a deep breath and get a grip.

This post got me so fired up when I was playing Madden that I called a QB draw on 4th and 2 in my own end.

Cause those pussy-ass players better sack up.

DaWolf · 11-17-2009, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, you couldn't. Payton was the OC of the Giants when they were in the 2000 Super Bowl. He was later the assistant head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. He most certainly earned his position.

Harbaugh was the Special Teams coordinator for 9 years before moving to defensive backs for 2 years. He spent 11 years in Philly.

Tomlin was the defensive backs coach in Tampa under Gruden and twice lead the league in yardage by secondaries. He was the DC in Minnesota before being hired by Pittsburgh.

All three of the guys you mentioned spent far more time in the coaching ranks than Haley. Does that mean that Haley won't succeed? No. But comparing those men to Haley is tenuous at best.

The problem with Haley as I see it is that the doesn't have enough experience in the league to be able to handle the head coaching duties, offensive coordinator duties and QB coaching duties. All three of those areas have been well below average this year.

The decision to separate those duties next year will weigh heavily into his success as a head coach.

Dane, c'mon. Look it up. Haley has been coaching in the NFL at least as long if not longer than Payton. They were both offensive coordinators of losing super bowl teams, they were both "passing game coordinators" under Parcells in Dallas. When Payton got hired by the Saints he had less years of NFL coaching experience (1997-2005) than Haley had when hired here (1997-2008). Payton also was demoted from his OC role in NY due to ineffectiveness.

Haley has been in the NFL for 14 years. That's more than Harbaugh (98-08) or Payton or Tomlin (01-09). So how did they spend more time coaching in the NFL than Haley when they didn't?

I 100% agree that he should not have taken on and should not in the future be doing all three jobs, I think that is just asking for disaster and it certainly has been a part of 2-7. But I don't think it has anything to do with lack of experience...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-17-2009, 09:02 PM

The old west.
Not much left anymore, just a few dusty mementos and legends; LOTS of legends.

Though not all of 'em square with the facts.

That's why Time/Life is proud to present "The Old West Collection".
John Wesley Hardin. Once shot a man just for snorin' too loud!

11-17-2009, 04:22 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4183447	Is Haley really "too angry"? I don't see Haley as being too angry -- not any angrier than most of us are throughout games at some of the dumbass things this awful team does. He clearly has his pet peeves (hello delay of game), but for the most part he seems to be genuinely pissed at dumb mistakes and at players that simply can't get it done. Another thing is that his anger is generally very fairly spread out -- he'll bitch out a scrub like Savage and franchise players like Cassel and Bowe within minutes of each other. I keep reading everywhere, from the Chiefs blogosphere to Peter King, that this is an emotion that Haley will have to curb. I've heard it here from people on this team that Haley has to cool it or he risks losing the team. Really? Intolerance of dumbass mistakes risks losing the team? I'm sorry, but I sat through the seemingly endless patience of Dick Vermeil and the zen-like ignorance of Herm Edwards during games. Haley's temperament, considering how sick I'm becoming of how awful this team is, seems pitch perfect.
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11-17-2009, 07:40 PM	#31
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11-17-2009, 08:01 PM	#34
RNR America is great assholes~ Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: In some people's mind~ Casino cash: $10027990	He reminds me of Gruden, he has a natural animation of emotion. He also seems like he is playing for camera now and it comes off disingenuous to me. Gruden was passionate and animated and then it became rehearsed. Haley seems to be getting a case of the big head and with what he has accomplished it is a bit premature IMO __________________ The Trump campaign and Black Lives Matter movement are perfect for each other. Both sides filled with easily led and angry nitwits convinced they are victims~
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11-17-2009, 08:03 PM	#35
Mama Hip Rockets You don't faze me, Gobble. Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $10005644	if he wasn't such a dumbass himself, nobody would care that he's angry. but i don't see why he yells at the players for screwing up, say, a draw play that he called on 3rd and 9.
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11-17-2009, 08:23 PM	#36
GoHuge The Truth Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10006072	I think this anger issue is way over blown. You saw him explode on Bowe for adding to the litany of his stupid on sunday in a crucial situation. From what I could see it was you **er, er, *er but i'm not a lip reading expert. Right when they come back from commercial he's sitting with Bowe calmly talking and explaining what he did wrong. We see maybe ten percent of the interaction between these people and it's during crunch time. Of course with Arrowhead being Fort Knox we're not going to ever get an inside look at what really goes on. My point is if Todd was really angry all the time and treated these guys like garbage they wouldn't respond at all and we'd hear more grumblings. Just look at Water's bitch fit to fatass. If these guys where really being abused we would hear about it, but I do agree that Todd needs to check his out burst on the sideline a little bit, which he readily admits. I know the haters will say he does it so much he should, but I've never heard an NFL coach own up to the mistakes he's made more quickly than Todd. I respect a guy that says he's not perfect and has got to get better himself. The people here that don't like him just don't like him for whatever reason they don't. I think the guy has what it takes and alot of the people here will have to find a new gripe when he starts winning. He's in a no win right now. Even if the guy ends up with five wins with basically the same talent as last year the haters would just say it's because Herm was so bad. Everyone knows what a mess he inherited but since it's not fixed in nine games and there's no more Herm and Carl the Bitchers here have to spew their drivel at somebody. It's what they do.....I'm probably next on their list for not being on their bash all the time bandwagon. Flame away! Posted via Mobile Device*
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11-17-2009, 08:55 PM	#42
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11-17-2009, 09:02 PM	#45
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