Chiefs Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs - Page 17

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 01:33 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html

Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor.

Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan.

Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick).

Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty.

Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup.

You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots.

Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed.

Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses.

When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach.

It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator.

In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game.

The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions.

I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.)

Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator.

Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel.

Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010.

If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL.

Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff.

Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011.

My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense.

Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down.

Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia.

Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-14-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

and it took eight OL to get respectable...pros don't grow on trees..I'm glad they went through so many players, finding out who really wants to play hard...I don't think anyone can deny they played hard in the last game.

That last game was nectar for my soul. I'll rewatch it for the next 8 months.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

who determines what a QB is worth? isn't there a going rate for starters at every position?

Even you have to think that Cassel, with one year of starting experience being the 3rd highest paid QB in the NFL is a bit ridiculous.

Only P. Manning and McNabb are above him.

Guys like Aaron Rodgers are $6M behind him.

Tony Romo is $11M behind him.

That's absurd.

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

The fact that this bullshit comes up in a football thread is a load of shit.

I'd stay celibate if it meant a football championship.

You're right.
This no place for that. I apologize.

stevieray · 01-14-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

That last game was nectar for my soul. I'll rewatch it for the next 8 months.

no kidding.

Saccopoo · 01-14-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Incorrect.

Last year I supported Pioli and Haley for a long damn time...until it was clear they had ****ed up, big time.

Now they need to prove something.

What did they **** up big time?

They doubled the amount of wins of the previous regime, fired Slappy, got rid of team cancer and Pampers spokesperson Larry, and they weren't Herm and Carl - who left this team completely devoid of talent, desire and a disgruntled, apathetic fan base. And Haley, true to his word, hires a offensive coordinator after only a single season of him calling the plays - a guy who most people consider to be a very good OC that would transition from Haley's offensive mindset seamlessly. Then they hire a guy who was directly involved in five winning Super Bowl teams (teams with excellent defenses) as defensive coordinator.

They didn't have a good draft, but it was a shortened transition year. They got a 2nd round pick for Tony, who was going to walk anyway (when all Carl could get was a 4th the previous year), they got a 5th (!!!!!!!!!!!) for Pickpen, and from what I hear, they actually began teaching these guys some football fundamentals.

And this is all in less than a year.

I don't think they ****ed up anything. In fact, this is the most positive I've been about the Chiefs in a long time.

Mr_Tomahawk · 01-14-2010, 12:21 PM

Like many of the posters here, I do not agree with the contract Cassel got.

The one aspect that keeps me sane regarding his signing is the fact the Josh McDaniels wanted him. Scott Pioli wanted him. Both who were obviously affiliated with him in NE.

They know/see something with Cassel that we can not pick up just by analyzing his game-play, potential? I duno...but the fact that both of these guys immediately were in the race to get this guy has to say something...?

Micjones · 01-14-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Good points, but still valid reasons for concern. Is Matt Cassel a leader? This team needs one bad. He's the most logical, and necessary choice. Can he do it? I hope so.

I'm not sold on Cassel (I thought the contract was premature too), but I'd like to see how he performs with a better setup. He faced some pretty long odds that I think might've frustrated more talented QB's.

I thought he showed some solid leadership qualities over the first half of the season. As it worn on...I think he lost a lot of confidence and pressed way too hard.

stevieray · 01-14-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Even you have to think that Cassel, with one year of starting experience being the 3rd highest paid QB in the NFL is a bit ridiculous.

Only P. Manning and McNabb are above him.

Guys like Aaron Rodgers are $6M behind him.

Tony Romo is $11M behind him.

That's absurd.

doesn't matter.

who determines what a QB is worth?

Hammock Parties · 01-14-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Even you have to think that Cassel, with one year of starting experience being the 3rd highest paid QB in the NFL is a bit ridiculous.

Only P. Manning and McNabb are above him.

Guys like Aaron Rodgers are $6M behind him.

Tony Romo is $11M behind him.

That's absurd.

Is he seriously? We're just talking bonus dollars, or what?

Mr. Laz · 01-14-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Like many of the posters here, I do not agree with the contract Cassel got.

The one aspect that keeps me sane regarding his signing is the fact the Josh McDaniels wanted him. Scott Pioli wanted him. Both who were obviously affiliated with him in NE.

They know/see something with Cassel that we can not pick up just by analyzing his game-play, potential? I duno...but the fact that both of these guys immediately were in the race to get this guy has to say something...?

i didn't want cassel to get the early contract either but that doesn't mean i'm gonna endlessly cry about it and let it jade my perspective about every move the Chiefs make.

Chiefnj2 · 01-14-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Even you have to think that Cassel, with one year of starting experience being the 3rd highest paid QB in the NFL is a bit ridiculous.

Only P. Manning and McNabb are above him.

Guys like Aaron Rodgers are $6M behind him.

Tony Romo is $11M behind him.

That's absurd.

Because Cassel is guaranteed every penny of the 60 million dollar contract?

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-14-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I'm not sold on Cassel (I thought the contract was premature too), but I'd like to see how he performs with a better setup. He faced some pretty long odds that I think might've frustrated more talented QB's.

I thought he showed some solid leadership qualities over the first half of the season. As it worn on...I think he lost a lot of confidence and pressed way too hard.

I'm not anti Cassel. But I am concerned and I feel I have the right to be. I think Charlie makes him a better QB, and I think he has a better 2010. I question whether he can be a franchise guy, but am hopeful that like so many times before, I'm wrong. And I agree with you, that his leadership regressed as the year wore on. That's a terrible sign.

King_Chief_Fan · 01-14-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

What did they **** up big time?

They doubled the amount of wins of the previous regime, fired Slappy, got rid of team cancer and Pampers spokesperson Larry, and they weren't Herm and Carl - who left this team completely devoid of talent, desire and a disgruntled, apathetic fan base. And Haley, true to his word, hires a offensive coordinator after only a single season of him calling the plays - a guy who most people consider to be a very good OC that would transition from Haley's offensive mindset seamlessly. Then they hire a guy who was directly involved in five winning Super Bowl teams (teams with excellent defenses) as defensive coordinator.

They didn't have a good draft, but it was a shortened transition year. They got a 2nd round pick for Tony, who was going to walk anyway (when all Carl could get was a 4th the previous year), they got a 5th (!!!!!!!!!!!) for Pickpen, and from what I hear, they actually began teaching these guys some football fundamentals.

And this is all in less than a year.

I don't think they ****ed up anything. In fact, this is the most positive I've been about the Chiefs in a long time.

good owning of GoChiefs on so many levels

beach tribe · 01-14-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Even you have to think that Cassel, with one year of starting experience being the 3rd highest paid QB in the NFL is a bit ridiculous.

Only P. Manning and McNabb are above him.

Guys like Aaron Rodgers are $6M behind him.

Tony Romo is $11M behind him.

That's absurd.

That is a little out of whack, but

Cassel's deal is only a year old. How old are Romo, and Rodgers'?

Let's just say it won't be that way for very long. Salaries go up extremely fast.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-14-2010, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

doesn't matter.

who determines what a QB is worth?

Doesn't matter?

Interesting. There's not a businessman alive that would agree with that.

Ideally, you'd want to get value, and get more production for a lower wage.

We're getting the exact opposite.

01-14-2010, 01:33 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $920478	Whitlock LOLs at the Patsification of the Chiefs http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...y/1682402.html Wake me when the Chiefs sign Tom Brady, the one with two healthy knees and fearless pocket demeanor. Until then, I’ll take a wait-and-see approach with Scott Pioli’s New England Relocation Plan. Right now, this smells like a Jackson Five reunion tour without Michael (Brady) or Janet (Bill Belichick). Romeo “Tito” Crennel, the defensive coordinator, joins Pioli, Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel and ex-Pats to be named later in what appears to be a lame attempt at recreating the New England Dynasty. Let me apologize for being unimpressed with this lineup. You’re tired of reading it, and I’m tired of writing it. Unfortunately, I’m paid to tell you what I really think. Romeo Crennel sounds great on paper. He won three Super Bowls while holding the title of “defensive coordinator” for Belichick’s Patriots. Tito sold a bunch of records plucking a guitar and singing backup for Michael Jackson. Without The Gloved One, we never heard of Tito again until Michael passed. Romeo flamed out in Cleveland as a head coach. Of all the Belichick assistants during the Super Bowl years, Crennel was the one with the least amount of responsibility on his plate. Belichick designed the defenses. When Crennel got the Cleveland job, I asked a longtime Patriots defender what he thought of the hire, and the player told me flat out that he never envisioned Romeo as a head coach. It’s just one player, one opinion. And not being head-coach material doesn’t disqualify someone from being a top-flight coordinator. In fact, I touched base with the player again on Wednesday, and he assured me that Crennel installed the defensive game plan throughout the week without interference from Belichick and that Crennel called the game. The player also assured me that Belichick had his fingerprints on everything that transpired with the team — special teams, offense, defense and front-office decisions. I’m just not sold on Crennel. As a coordinator, Crennel has far more to prove than Charlie Weis. No one I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to create innovative game plans. (Everyone I’ve talked to doubts Weis’ ability to control his ego.) Crennel worked for Belichick, who specializes in defense. Bill Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick working as his defensive coordinator. Hey, maybe one day we will be saying the same thing about Belichick and Crennel. Today, all I’m sure of is that Crennel’s hiring increases the likelihood that Todd Haley is in a make-or-break season in 2010. If things go poorly next season, don’t look for Pioli, Weis and Crennel to take the blame. They have nine Super Bowl rings among them. In their mind, they know exactly what it takes to win at the highest level in the NFL. Haley either has no political savvy, no interest in playing the kind of politics that enhances a coach’s longevity or zero leverage when putting together a coaching staff. Given the previous working relationship of Pioli, Weis and Crennel — and Weis’ oversized ego — it would be a seamless transition for Pioli to install Weis as head coach midway through the 2010 season or at the start of 2011. My gut says Haley’s ego and gambling nature make him unaware of the ramifications of his decisions. Firing Chan Gailey was a colossal error. With the offensive personnel provided to him by Pioli, Haley should’ve held on to Gailey for a season. There was no reason for the head coach to attach his reputation and credibility to a receiver-less offense. Good coaches are paranoid. They perceive every move by ownership/management as a potential threat to their power. Paranoia is what drives a good coach to be great. Paranoia is what makes a coach sleep at his office and punt on fourth down. Look at Belichick. He’s been spoiled by success. That’s why he went for it on fourth and 2 against the Colts. He’s losing his paranoia. Haley’s background is extremely unusual for an NFL head coach. Golfers focus on a single obstacle, the course. A football coach worries about a million things, including what his assistants may or may not be plotting.
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