Chiefs Lions "might make a place" for Dorsey - Page 7

Marco Polo · 01-20-2010, 03:09 PM

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...ons_rooki.html

Phil: I've heard on more than one occasion that the Lions should swing a deal for DT Glenn Dorsey. I haven't heard much from him in Kansas City, what has he done? What could his trade value be and why would the Chiefs trade him since they spent a 2008 1st round pick on him?
Tom Kowalski: Lions defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham was on the Chiefs' staff when Kansas City drafted him and Cunningham really likes the kid. The reason he might be available is because the Chiefs drafted Dorsey as a 4-3 defensive tackle and they've now switched schemes and he's playing a 3-4 end. Neither the Chiefs nor Dorsey is apparently happy with the results and that's why I think the Lions might make a play for him in the off-season. I still think it's a longshot, but it's a shot worth taking.
As for trade value, I'm not sure what he'd cost. I think you might see something a little creative, like swapping of picks in a round or two, as opposed to a straight-up one-for-one deal. We'll see if this heats up as we get closer to the draft.

EDIT: I meant "might make a play" but don't know how to change the subject.

**DeezNutz** · 01-20-2010, 11:05 PM

I could care less about Suh, and given the resources we've spent on the line and the type of D that we're running, I'm not sure why anyone else would, either.

Give me Berry.

And let's focus on improving our LBs and seeing if we can't find someone who can rush the ****ing QB and who might allow us to put Hali on the other side. The Exec. of the Century needs to find a gem.

Mastashake · 01-20-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I wouldn't take it.

Our 1st + Dorsey = Suh, if that.

I know Suh is untested, but I trust him to be good more than any other player I've seen in a long time. I usually am unsure, but with him there's a definite level of confidence.

We can trade Dorsey if they want. But don't get your hopes up. If they trade him it will be for something like a second and a fourth. It seems like trades, unless they are for pro-bowl players, rarely get anything above a two.

Mr. Laz · 01-20-2010, 11:08 PM

actually that trade value wouldn't be too bad for Detroit unless they really think that Suh is uber-ish. Of course if they think that Suh is Hall of fame material then no trade would be worth it.

but they are basically trading their 2nd rounder and 2 spots of their 1st rounder for Dorsey.

That is good value for them

they still get to pick 5th ... they might not want to be #2 anyway.

we also already paid Dorsey's large draft signing bonus

Detroit wins on that trade unless, once again, you think that Suh is reggie white-ish.

**BossChief** · 01-20-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I wouldn't take it.

well, if we all agreed on everything, this place would be hella boring.

Odd enough as it is, I agree 100% with the WPI guy on that one.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-20-2010, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'd take it the second they asked, before they have time to come to their senses.

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Originally Posted by milkman

As much as I like Dorsey, I'd do the same.

We'd basically be trading Dorsey and Berry for Suh and 2nd round pick. That's really not much of a bargain to me. Two top 5 picks for a top 2 pick and a 2nd rounder. We've already paid so much money to Dorsey, and went through his growing pains that I think we'd be fools to give him up now.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-20-2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

well, if we all agreed on everything, this place would be hella boring.

Odd enough as it is, I agree 100% with the WPI guy on that one.

I totally agree with you on that. And usually, I agree with your takes anyways. But the world would be a boring place if we all agreed on everything. Different strokes for different folks, and I can respect your guys' take.

Now all that said, if you really want to fit in around here, you're supposed to call me and idiot, ****ing, reeruned, monkey turd when we don't agree.

keg in kc · 01-20-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

We'd basically be trading Dorsey and Berry for Suh and 2nd round pick. That's really not much of a bargain to me. Two top 5 picks for a top 2 pick and a 2nd rounder. We've already paid so much money to Dorsey, and went through his growing pains that I think we'd be fools to give him up now.

I like Dorsey, but I see Suh as a potential hall-of-famer. That's what I meant by 'generational player'. Kind of guy that doesn't come around often. I've never seen anybody dominate the way he did last year. And I don't care where you put him on your line, whether it's a 3-4 end or a 4-3 tackle, I think he's going to do the same thing in the pros in time. I don't think you put him in the same category as guys like Dorsey (or Jackson), because I think he'll play on another level.

Maybe he won't. That's the risk of the draft.

I think it's a moot argument anyway, because Detroit would have to be insane to make any offer even remotely like that.

Mastashake · 01-20-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

We'd basically be trading Dorsey and Berry for Suh and 2nd round pick. That's really not much of a bargain to me. Two top 5 picks for a top 2 pick and a 2nd rounder. We've already paid so much money to Dorsey, and went through his growing pains that I think we'd be fools to give him up now.

I'm going to guess if we were to have a chance a Suh, it would take this year and next years first.

The Lions have said NOTHING about trading their pick, only being interested in acquiring Dorsey as well, something which could be a complete power play by Detroit, as someone else before us said.

Pioli Zombie · 01-20-2010, 11:42 PM

I love how fans overvalue their own players. I still can't believe the Raiders gave up a first round pick for Seymour. Morons. Maybe they'll give one for Horsey.
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Ebolapox · 01-21-2010, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I like Dorsey, but I see Suh as a potential hall-of-famer. That's what I meant by 'generational player'. Kind of guy that doesn't come around often. I've never seen anybody dominate the way he did last year. And I don't care where you put him on your line, whether it's a 3-4 end or a 4-3 tackle, I think he's going to do the same thing in the pros in time. I don't think you put him in the same category as guys like Dorsey (or Jackson), because I think he'll play on another level.

Maybe he won't. That's the risk of the draft.

I think it's a moot argument anyway, because Detroit would have to be insane to make any offer even remotely like that.

I'm gonna laugh when suh comes in and struggles as all first year d-linemen do (for the most part)... people were saying dorsey was one of these generational players too, or do we forget that too quickly?

HMc · 01-21-2010, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

That's what all the draft experts said when we drafted him a couple years ago. So much for that shit.

yeah there wasn't going to be another guy as good ever again....until suh came along

HMc · 01-21-2010, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

how are we going to replace the 1 sack in 2 years

Dorsey and Succop to tampa for Ryan Sims and Connor Barth

Mastashake · 01-21-2010, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HMc

Dorsey and Succop to tampa for Ryan Sims and Connor Barth

Throw in Rich Scanlon and we got a deal.

tyton75 · 01-21-2010, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

How bout Dorsey for their 2011 #1 and this years #3

This

TheGuardian · 01-21-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If I read that right, that guy is saying we trade Dorsey for the #2 and #34 picks.

I dont care about the money ramifications, if they were willing to go full reerun in that fashion, that would be a deal we would be running away laughing about for years because we straight up ripped them historically.

Suh+#34 overall>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dorsey

Its way off kilter because of the reeruned value of both sides, but we would be straight up fools to pass that up.

No it's the other way around, we'd be a complete dumbass to take it. Pull your head out.

01-20-2010, 03:09 PM
Marco Polo Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 41°59.4′N 87°39.6'W Casino cash: $3968908	Lions "might make a place" for Dorsey http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...ons_rooki.html Phil: I've heard on more than one occasion that the Lions should swing a deal for DT Glenn Dorsey. I haven't heard much from him in Kansas City, what has he done? What could his trade value be and why would the Chiefs trade him since they spent a 2008 1st round pick on him? Tom Kowalski: Lions defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham was on the Chiefs' staff when Kansas City drafted him and Cunningham really likes the kid. The reason he might be available is because the Chiefs drafted Dorsey as a 4-3 defensive tackle and they've now switched schemes and he's playing a 3-4 end. Neither the Chiefs nor Dorsey is apparently happy with the results and that's why I think the Lions might make a play for him in the off-season. I still think it's a longshot, but it's a shot worth taking. As for trade value, I'm not sure what he'd cost. I think you might see something a little creative, like swapping of picks in a round or two, as opposed to a straight-up one-for-one deal. We'll see if this heats up as we get closer to the draft. EDIT: I meant "might make a play" but don't know how to change the subject.
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	actually that trade value wouldn't be too bad for Detroit unless they really think that Suh is uber-ish. Of course if they think that Suh is Hall of fame material then no trade would be worth it. but they are basically trading their 2nd rounder and 2 spots of their 1st rounder for Dorsey. That is good value for them they still get to pick 5th ... they might not want to be #2 anyway. we also already paid Dorsey's large draft signing bonus Detroit wins on that trade unless, once again, you think that Suh is reggie white-ish. __________________ Last edited by Mr. Laz; 01-20-2010 at 11:17 PM..
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