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Old 12-12-2010, 11:36 PM  
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Stop blaming the play calling.
Croyle failed today because he sucks ass. Everything was called as normal except an end around. And its not like that play is called every game anyways. Croyle was in the shotgun, under center, play action, threw deep, threw short, screens, and bootlegs. The play calling was not the problem of our offense; decision making was the problem. Croyle checks down too much and tries to throw a bullet on short pass plays. His accuracy is horrible. And he is indecisive when pressured.

Here is a breakdown of his performance.

After 4 straight runs gaining 13 yards and a 1st down, Croyle throws on 3rd and 10 to Copper for a WR screen losing 1 yard. Chiefs punt.

After a 1 yard loss by Jones, Croyle checks down to Charles for a gain of 4 yards on 2nd and 11 while a wide open McCluster breaks to the sideline with room to run. On 3rd and 7 Croyle over throws Copper. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 10, Croyle is sacked for a 12 yard loss after a horrible attempt of a play action fake. After a run by Charles, Croyle checks down with a quick throw to Moeaki for 8 yards on 3rd and 18. Chiefs punt.

After Charles gains a 1st down and 16 yards, Croyle passes on a bootleg on 2nd and 4 to Moeaki for 5 yards. After a 2 yard run by Charles, Croyle throws a deep incomplete pass out of bounds toward Bowe. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 8 Croyle checks down to Bowe on an underneath route for 3 yards. Chiefs Punt.

From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle throws an incomplete pass toward Bow that was high and away from Bowe. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 10, Croyle throws over the middle to Copper for a 16 yard gain. From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle steps up in the pocket and checks down to Charles for 5 yards. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 5, Croyle throws a high pass toward Bowe deep that falls incomplete. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 5, Croyle holds the ball for 4 seconds before running back toward 2 of the 3 pass rushers and is sacked for a 11 yard loss. Halftime.

After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 3 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 7. He never takes his eyes off Bowe and throws a bullet that a diving Bowe cannot handle. Chiefs punt.

After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 4 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 16. Croyle play fakes to an invisible RB, bootlegs and throws to a covered Bowe on the sideline. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 10, Croyle looks right, cocks to throw but never does and is sacked for a 6 yard loss. On 2nd and 16, Croyle under throws Bowe deep and the ball is deflected by the defender for an incomplete pass. On 3rd and 16 from the shotgun position, Croyle throws a screen pass toward Charles into the hands of a defensive lineman for an incomplete pass. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 18 yard pass is well defended and falls incomplete. Tucker never gets his hands on the ball. On 2nd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 13 yard pass is knocked down by the defender and falls incomplete. Tucker never touches the ball. On 3rd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle steps up in the pocket, pump fakes and is sacked; never releasing the ball even though McCluster is apparently open near the first down marker. Chiefs punt.

Palko enters the game and goes 2 of 3 for 8 yards. Croyle's day is done going 7 of 17 for 40 yards.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:51 AM   #46
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I don't get it. The protection against Indianapolis was as bad if not worse than the protection against San Diego.

I said that game was Cassel's fault. And it was. But Cassel was a shitload more productive that day than Brodie was today.

And the same people who ripped Cassel a new asshole for that performance are the same ones claiming that Croyle didn't have any protection.

It's a ridiculous double standard.
no matter who we had at quarterback out there we werent going to win this game... you could tell from the onset that we just didnt want it at all, and that the chargers were on a mission
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:54 AM   #47
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How many times have we played like total dog$3it vs. a division opponent this year?

Most of them...
obviously arrowhead is worth a 40 point advantage for us
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:55 AM   #48
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no matter who we had at quarterback out there we werent going to win this game... you could tell from the onset that we just didnt want it at all, and that the chargers were on a mission
Well, I think the team walked in with a defeated attitude. They didn't have confidence in Croyle and that's a reflection of coaching--they can't make the team feel like they have no chance to win just b/c the backup's in.

I do wonder if the Chiefs had a chance with Cassel. I think the gameplan would have been more open, he would have taken better advantage of his pocket, and the defense would have been more respectful of the pass. That's all guesswork, though. QUite possible Cassel lays a big gooseegg against SD.
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obviously arrowhead is worth a 40 point advantage for us
i hope to god so. hopefully arrowhead east will be the same this coming sunday. I hope to god chiefs fans come out in droves to take over that ****ing stadium to make it an extended home game!
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Well, I think the team walked in with a defeated attitude. They didn't have confidence in Croyle and that's a reflection of coaching--they can't make the team feel like they have no chance to win just b/c the backup's in.

I do wonder if the Chiefs had a chance with Cassel. I think the gameplan would have been more open, he would have taken better advantage of his pocket, and the defense would have been more respectful of the pass. That's all guesswork, though. QUite possible Cassel lays a big gooseegg against SD.
thats exactly how it looked to me as well... i had the feeling that the coaches went into the game telling their guys that hey, we lose this and it doesnt matter, we're still in the lead
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:57 AM   #51
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He wasn't pressured nearly as much as people are screaming about. And the QB can make the o-line look much better. Croyle did not have terrible protection in the first half. It was actually decent.

And it goes without saying that if your QB doesn't make plays, the defense isn't going to respect you. If Croyle wants the Chargers to stop blitzing, he needs to make them pay when they do.
Croyle only threw the ball 17 times.

We know, for a fact, Bowe dropped 2 of them. Our 2nd string TE dropped another.

Passes that hit them in the ****ing hands.

That leaves 14 passes all on Croyle (not really, but let's follow this through.)

The bar for average is 50% completion percentage, right?

He completed 7 passes. 7 OF 14 passes (if one subtracts disgraceful drops.)

How many times did he turn the ball over?

How many fumbles? How many INT's? Did he leave with an injury?

No. He did exactly what he was asked to do.

Play safe and do not turn the ball over.

He did absolutely nothing good and nothing bad...
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Croyle only threw the ball 17 times.

We know, for a fact, Bowe dropped 2 of them. Our 2nd string TE dropped another.

Passes that hit them in the ****ing hands.
Bowe only dropped one pass that i know of. If you're talking about the deep pass, that was a well defended ball. Not sure what you're talking about on the TE front.

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That leaves 14 passes all on Croyle (not really, but let's follow this through.)

The bar for average is 50% completion percentage, right?

He completed 7 passes. 7 OF 14 passes (if one subtracts disgraceful drops.)
50% is below average. Average is about 55-60%. And you have to factor in sacks, which are worse than incompletions.

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How many fumbles? How many INT's? Did he leave with an injury?
Isn't this the same bad argument Cassel supporters used earlier in the year? The difference is that Cassel also usually doesn't take sacks either.

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Play safe and do not turn the ball over.

He did absolutely nothing good and nothing bad...
Nothing bad? He overthrew open receivers, repeatedly checked down a few yards downfield instead of throwing near the chains, screwed up a few plays because he didn't use his pocket well. He was horrible on third downs and on second downs did nothing to make 3rd downs makeable. He did nothing good. You're right. He did several things very badly. Not all things. But several.
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Old 12-13-2010, 02:22 AM   #53
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Not sure what you're talking about on the TE front.
Lines up outside the tackle. Bigger than a WR but still catches passes every now and again.


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50% is below average. Average is about 55-60%. And you have to factor in sacks, which are worse than incompletions.
For a GOOD STARTING QB, yes.

Not the NFL average starter, or a B/U, for that matter.


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He did nothing good. You're right. He did several things very badly. Not all things. But several.
On that we agree.

Here is the point I've done a very poor job of getting across: unless I've missed something Croyle threw the least amount of passes this week of any starting QB and lost by the BIGGEST margin.

I would have felt better about Croyle being 7 of 30 than 7 of 17.

I'm not going to argue the extra passing attempts would make him more comfortable, more in the game, or more productive. Not at all.

ONLY THAT WE WERE TRYING TO WIN.

It would mean that on 3rd and 12 we tried to get 12. Or down by 21 we actually WANTED to catch up and cared that time was running out...
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Croyle had a chance to make $20M today...

and he shit himself

now he'll be a career backup who may not have a career after this season

it's too bad

this was his shot and he blew it
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Croyle had a chance to make $20M today...
Not even........you are hitting the ****ing pipe.

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and he shit himself

now he'll be a career backup...
No, he'll be a 3rd stringer for a good team next year IF HE'S LUCKY...
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not even?

If Croyle rallied the team and led them to a win and posted a line of something like...

21-30 for 250 and 2 TD's...

he could've drawn, easily, a starting QB contract from a number of teams

instead his career went right down the drain

that was his last chance

I feel bad for the guy
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The playcalling had this team at 8-4 with a better QB under center. Suddenly, it's all the playcalling?

Same bullshit excuse that the fans of every losing team in the NFL fall back on.
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not even?

If Croyle rallied the team and led them to a win and posted a line of something like...

21-30 for 250 and 2 TD's...

he could've drawn, easily, a starting QB contract from a number of teams

instead his career went right down the drain

that was his last chance

I feel bad for the guy
So based on one game he was going to land starting QB pay?

You the ****ing guy that inked Frank Reich's contract?...
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The playcalling had this team at 8-4 with a better QB under center. Suddenly, it's all the playcalling?

Same bullshit excuse that the fans of every losing team in the NFL fall back on.
not me

the only damn thing I took from this debacle was the fact I'll never, ever, ever, ever again take Cassel for granted
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and in all honesty

it has more with the fact he has total command of the offense, the huddle, the plays, the execution...

dude is a winner...he plays with fire...and plays with emotion

Croyle looked like dogshit today...even if he was dealt a shit hand he still played like dogshit, looked like dogshit, and had no control...

he didn't want to be out there
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