It won't be DeCastro. I'm still betting Kuechly. But here's a dark horse...

[Direckshun]

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Several reasons, which we've all visited:

• The run game is mostly fine. We led the league in rushing two years ago with Thomas ****ing Jones taking half the carries, behind Ryan Lilja. Scott Pioli does not view Lilja as a weak spot, nor really should he for another year or two. DeCastro would offer an upgrade, but it would almost certainly involve cutting Lilja, which Pioli is not going to do.
• At the same time, DeCastro would offer an upgrade over Lilja in pass protection, but only a marginal one. Lilja is a technician in pass protection, and you're only going to see the upgrade against the bigger nose tackles when they're lined up over Lilja. Even then, as milkman said in another thread, Cassel still took over 40 sacks in New England behind their stud, first round guard.
• The Chiefs do have three good value guards under contract, and by good value I mean we have two solid starters and solid depth with Darryl Harris, which is what most teams strive for. All three first-rounders during the Pioli era have been selections at a position the team is perilously thin at (2009, DE; 2010, S; 2011, WR).
• Kind of a lesser argument here, but DeCastro was not a captain at Stanford, and has a reputation for being quiet as a Will Sheilds mouse. If Pioli's going to take a guard, he's going to want it to be a dynamic-changing personality -- not somebody who will just upgrade one spot, but somebody who will elevate several spots through force of will.
• Even more than picking an elite talent at guard, Pioli wants to stockpile 2012 and 2013 draft picks. It's infinitely more likely we'll trade out of the #11 to somebody who really wants DeCastro than it is we'll pick DeCastro ourselves.

It is still my opinion that this team wants Luke Kuechly. The Chiefs in 2013 will only have one ILB under contract in DJ. Siler and Belcher will be free agents, though I believe Pioli would love to keep Belcher, and I bet we can.

Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up.

It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill.

And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him.

Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable.

Kendall Wright played for four years at Baylor, and was an emotional team captain for that offense (whereas RG3 is more of a cool-as-a-cucumber, poker face leader). Wright's timed speed means precisely jack and shit to Pioli, who's spoken at length about Kendrick Lewis playing faster than he timed -- and Wright plays like a 4.4 speed demon.

The Chiefs have Breaston and Baldwin another four years, and I don't think they'll get Bowe signed in July. They may hold off longer to see if Baldwin can take off, and if he does (and he's shown that he can...), they could always let Bowe walk or trade him off, and a WR corps of Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright would provide a perfect balance of weapons.

Of course, I hope we never do let Bowe go. In a passing league, there is plenty of room for four WR's to get lots of catches, and it would make life very easy for the QBotF after Cassel.

No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.

[Okie_Apparition]

Wake up naked in a briar patch with a tranny
Thomas Jones apologist

[Nightfyre]

yea! An AIDS briar patch!

[Saccopoo]

He started it.

He's the one who started mentioning "dumbassery" and all that stuff.

Can I help it if he's a goat raping, ball licking sack of stupid that should have his pants pulled down and his dick grated with a micro-planar?

[Reaper16]

If by "civil" you mean "an atmosphere that allows me to post innumerable threads that no one challenges because the subforum is so boring now" then you nailed it, Direckshun.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Mimms? Are you freaking kidding? He was a rook last year that was on the practice squad. He's 6'8" and 360 lbs. If he is even half-assed effective in a zone scheme I'll eat my hat. As good as depth as guys who have actual game time in this system?

Mimms? That's the guy you are hanging your argument on? Really?

You are citing guys like Greenwood, Siler, Sheffield, Studebaker and others as reasons we should take another OT and you think its fun to throw stones when you live in that crazy world of Okung and the magical Reiff?

Rich

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

From the guy who wants Tannehill (1 1/2 years as a starter after being converted to wide receiver in a total gimmick spread system) or Mark Barron (torn pec repair, double hernia repair, arrest who was no better than a third rounder to start the 2011 season).

That's your first round wish list?

Talk about dumbassery.

Tannehill has similar experience in college to guys like:

Aaron Rogers
Joe Flacco
Tom Brady
Cam Newton
Mark Sanchez (even though he isnt exactly the guy I would hang this argument on)

At quarterback, you can either ply the position or you cant.

Tannehill has the tools and work ethic to be considered a possible 3rd overall selection.

If your return argument is that "he is just being propped up by the weak class of quarterbacks" then, why isn't anyone else seemingly soaring up charts?

Saying Mark Barron was only a third rounder prior to this year isnt exactly telling it how it is, either.

His stock went up, sure....but he was always thought of as a high second rounder prior to this last year where he played a lot more in coverage and faired quite well, showing that he is a true dual threat safety and those are worth their weight in gold in todays NFL.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You are siting guys like Greenwood, Siler, Sheffield, Studebaker and others as reasons we should take another OT and you think its fun to throw stones when you live in that crazy world of Okung and the magical Reiff?

I'm not a Reiff fan. I think he's a guard at the next level. I could see them taking him though.

Tannehill has similar experience in college to guys like:

Aaron Rogers
Joe Flacco
Tom Brady
Cam Newton
Mark Sanchez (even though he isnt exactly the guy I would hang this argument on)

At quarterback, you can either ply the position or you cant.

Tannehill has the tools and work ethic to be considered a possible 3rd overall selection.

He's closer to Sanchez than the others as Rogers, Flacco and Newton were all playing QB, just transferred. Brady was a fifth year senior in a system that he was QB for the entire time.

He's supposedly a smart guy and athletic. But he's raw as sushi. All those guys you mentioned were more polished quarterbacks than Tannehill.

I'm not saying he can't become one, but it's going to take time and if the Chiefs sign him, I don't see him providing anything at this stage that they already have in Stanzi (and most likely substantially less at this point). Quinn is a big, physical prototype as well. I'd love to see what he's actually capable of now that he isn't getting thrown under the bus by Mangini or part of the Tebow circus in Denver. Here was a legit first round quarterback with all the tools, a great work ethic, experience in a pro system, and I don't think he's ever really been given a chance.

If your return argument is that "he is just being propped up by the weak class of quarterbacks" then, why isn't anyone else seemingly soaring up charts?

Because there isn't the "prototypes" available in this draft other than Tannehill.

If Wilson or Moore were three inches taller...If Weeden was five years younger...those three are superb quarterbacks - heady, students of the game that have produced extremely well, but they aren't "prototype" like Tannehill purportedly is. It's why guys like Boller and Russell go in the first round - because of the potential, because they can throw a ball 80 yards. Teams feel that a lot of the other stuff can be coached up or matured into. Sometimes it can, like Brett Favre. Sometimes it can't, like Ryan Leaf.

Cousins is suffering from the Brady syndrome - successful, team leader, throws a decent ball and steps up in game situations, but his measurables and looks are just meh.

Tannehill looks the part. He's the one apparently with the potential at this point.

I just haven't seen enough of it from him to justify it for the Chiefs to spend a near top ten draft pick on him. Call me conservative, but I think he's a long term project that may or may not get it. I'll take a guy like Moore in the later rounds based on his uncanny ability to take a team and elevate it and win versus a guy that's been relatively mediocre to this point but has "potential."

[QUOTE]Saying Mark Barron was only a third rounder prior to this year isnt exactly telling it how it is, either.

His stock went up, sure....but he was always thought of as a high second rounder prior to this last year where he played a lot more in coverage and faired quite well, showing that he is a true dual threat safety and those are worth their weight in gold in todays NFL.[QUOTE]

I think their situations are similar. Barron is a very athletic guy who hasn't put up huge numbers in the Alabama defense, but is going to get elevated based on his "potential" due to his size and athletic ability. Right now, he is not a better cover than Lewis is and he really hasn't shown that in his game to this point, especially considering that they had guys like Kirkpatrick in coverage and the amazing pressure up front.

Add to that the injury history (and a torn pec and double hernia surgeries are a concern), I don't think he's anywhere close to being a guy who you look at with the #11 pick, especially when you've got two really solid, young safeties in Berry and Lewis.

Just my take.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

If by "civil" you mean "an atmosphere that allows me to post innumerable threads that no one challenges because the subforum is so boring now" then you nailed it, Direckshun.

This place hops along pretty well on its own. Direckshun is a big part of it, but so are tons of other posters. In years past it wasn't like Hamas and Mecca were posting draft threads left and right. They were certainly contributing, but it's not like Direckshun is filling the draft thread vacuum that formed when they both left.

[BossChief]

See man, even though I disagree with a lot of what you posted...I don't want to stab my eyes out after reading it like I do when you talked about replacing Albert with Okung (over Eric Berry, FFS) or earlier when you talked about taking Reiff or Martin at 11.

A few things.

Mark Barron didn't put up big numbers because that front seven was NFL good last year. Just watching the games and what he did should make it clear as day that the kid will easily translate to the NFL game. His size/temperment/instincts are very very attractive to our defense and what it could mean to not only the starting safeties, but sub packages along with giving us the ability to move Berry to FS where he would be able to use his speed in coverage to do a lot more for us than Lewis can while keeping away from as much contact while his knee solidifies.

Barron improves more than just that, too. He is an enforcer that can fly and adds to the defenses "team speed".

I just obvious think a lot more of him than most guys here.

If we trade down, I can DEFINETLY see us targeting him.

You seem to want to dance around saying that Tannehill has the potential to be a franchise quarterback that can be a pocket passer as well as a guy that extends the play and uses his mobility to help guys get open. Those types of guys are what the NFL is
moving towards.

If he busts, we could absorb that without hurting the team at this point.

If he develops and reaches his potential, we are a superbowl team in two or three years with the talent we are stockpiling.

Even if we don't take Reiff or Martin.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by SNR

This place hops along pretty well on its own. Direckshun is a big part of it, but so are tons of other posters. In years past it wasn't like Hamas and Mecca were posting draft threads left and right. They were certainly contributing, but it's not like Direckshun is filling the draft thread vacuum that formed when they both left.

I always kinda had a sneaking suspicion that Sac and Mecca were the same person, just posting from two different perspectives.

Drafturbator and true fan.

Both give good detail on prospects, but Mecca would go overboard on "playmakers" like when he almost sucked off CJ Spiller where Sac does the same thing on the opposite spectrum with guys like Okung.

Both bring a lot to the board, just in different ways.

I'm not sure exactly what side I truly belong to, but it was/is fun to debate with them/him.

[KCrockaholic]

I actually miss Mecca.

I liked him.

But when the hell will FAX come back? Seriously. He can't leave forever. He's one of my top 3 favorite posters.

[BossChief]

From what I understand, FAX has always taken these breaks from cp.

It's probably a healthy thing to do from time to time.

Mecca just had a complex that didn't allow him to ever acknowledge he was wrong and once he did and the team actually won games, he left.

It's a shame, he was a good poster, but he just couldn't take having all his knowledge blow up in his face so often.

[buddha]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If we are gonna let Bowe walk, we NEED to spend a second or third on Marvin McNutt in the 2012 draft.

Then, when we move on to RS he will have an already built in set of targets he trusts in Moeaki and McNutt.

All in all though, Carr walking is somewhat justified but letting a guy like Bowe walk would be inexcusable unless he is demanding Fitzgerald money and nothing less (which is not the case)

You're the one who needs to jump off a building for that suggestion. We all know you are a massive Iowa homer, but how many NFL teams do you know that builds their rosters around back up QBs? McNutt in the 2nd or 3rd? Are you his brother?

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Saints drafted Robert Meachum in the first when they didn't need a WR.

Packers drafted Randall Cobb last year in the 2nd when they didn't need a WR.

Is there any chance you'd argue either of those were poor selections?

BINGO !!

However, I like Stephen Hill over Wright. He will be the next Mike Wallace/Victor Cruz. Yes I now they are 2 different type of receivers and I don't care if there is only 28 rec from this last season. When you just watch his combine speed, combine routes and especially his combine venus fly trap hands this guy has HUGE upside and WILL STRETCH THE FIELD !!

Yeah I know I referred to the 'combine' and not actual 'game play' but this guy is going to be very good.

[Direckshun]

I think if Barron's on the board, you gotta think he's in the running to be a Chief if we end up trading down to the late teens.

One of Barron's injuries was a double hernia, which is not a recurring thing. Barron's arrest was such a minor charge it's hard to get worked up about.

Instead, Barron brings toughness, versatility, speed, power, brains, and leadership -- he was a team captain for Bama, for chrissakes.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think if Barron's on the board, you gotta think he's in the running to be a Chief if we end up trading down to the late teens.

One of Barron's injuries was a double hernia, which is not a recurring thing. Barron's arrest was such a minor charge it's hard to get worked up about.

Instead, Barron brings toughness, versatility, speed, power, brains, and leadership -- he was a team captain for Bama, for chrissakes.

Is there room for 2 Ed Reeds in our 2ndary? I like the thought of that!