Science Spinoff: Second Hand Smoke Risks: Fact or Fiction? - Page 2

**AustinChief** · 06-01-2012, 01:42 AM

I know we have had this debate before but I feel like getting a fresh perspective on this.

I would like to hear people's beliefs on the subject BUT I won't accept a simple "well the CDC says this or Penn and Teller say that"... as support. You have to actually presents FACTS.

I personally don't think a legit study has been done to prove a statistically significant health risk to second hand smoke. That doesn't mean that risks don't exist.. that means that there is no hard science backing up the idea.

HAIL SCIENCE!

Ok, I'll start with my facts backing up this up in the next post....

Ace Gunner · 06-01-2012, 05:43 AM

I have smoked. I quit. twice. I have asthma and it effects my condition.

the tobacco most ppl smoke is altered, it's much worse imo than real tobacco.

2nd hand smoke occasionally triggers my asthma, other than this, eh.

it's a political ploy to open a new book of dictatorship.

is it disgusting? ya, to some. so is a plumber's job, to some.

imo cigar smoking is nasty shit and it seems to effect my asthma much more. but I deal with it leaving the area.

I think some regs are good, but ya, some regs are just tardo demonization designed to polarize & give the whiny faction leverage they don't deserve.

penchief · 06-01-2012, 05:53 AM

Seriously?

The data that shows children who are exposed to second hand smoke are more apt to suffer from asthma isn't enough to tell you that second hand smoke effects you?

All the data that shows increased incidents of heart disease and lung disease in non-smokers who have long term exposrue to second hand smoke isn't made up.

You don't have to be a scientist to recognize how potent cigarette smoke is. All you have to do is be around it one time after not being around it for a while. It permeates everything.

Have you ever seen the apartment of a two pack a day smoker who has lived in the same place for several years? When they move out, the tar and nicotine residue is so thick in the apartment that it requires calling in professionals like Service Master to get rid of it. It seriously permeates everything.

That shit is no joke.

**Bugeater** · 06-01-2012, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by penchief

Have you ever seen the apartment of a two pack a day smoker who has lived in the same place for several years? When they move out, the tar and nicotine residue is so thick in the apartment that it requires calling in professionals like Service Master to get rid of it. It seriously permeates everything.

I have spent a very large part of my life working in multifamily housing and I can assure you that is not true.

**pr_capone** · 06-01-2012, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by penchief

Have you ever seen the apartment of a two pack a day smoker who has lived in the same place for several years? When they move out, the tar and nicotine residue is so thick in the apartment that it requires calling in professionals like Service Master to get rid of it. It seriously permeates everything.

That shit is no joke.

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

I have spent a very large part of my life working in multifamily housing and I can assure you that is not true.

Hey pen... you just got Bugeatered.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 06-01-2012, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

I have smoked. I quit. twice. I have asthma and it effects my condition.

the tobacco most ppl smoke is altered, it's much worse imo than real tobacco.

2nd hand smoke occasionally triggers my asthma, other than this, eh.

it's a political ploy to open a new book of dictatorship.

is it disgusting? ya, to some. so is a plumber's job, to some.

imo cigar smoking is nasty shit and it seems to effect my asthma much more. but I deal with it leaving the area.

I think some regs are good, but ya, some regs are just tardo demonization designed to polarize & give the whiny faction leverage they don't deserve.

But a plumber isn't working at the table next to me while I'm eating.

**Saul Good** · 06-01-2012, 06:25 AM

Cigarette smoke is filthy and disgusting. I am 33 years old and have literally never smoked a cigarette in my life. I love non-smoking bars.

That said, the studies I have read don't support second hand smoke being more than a nuisance. Loud music at a bar is more dangerous than smoke. Let the property owner decide what to allow, and the customers can decide where to go.

Ace Gunner · 06-01-2012, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penchief

Seriously?

The data that shows children who are exposed to second hand smoke are more apt to suffer from asthma isn't enough to tell you that second hand smoke effects you?

All the data that shows increased incidents of heart disease and lung disease in non-smokers who have long term exposrue to second hand smoke isn't made up.

You don't have to be a scientist to recognize how potent cigarette smoke is. All you have to do is be around it one time after not being around it for a while. It permeates everything.

Have you ever seen the apartment of a two pack a day smoker who has lived in the same place for several years? When they move out, the tar and nicotine residue is so thick in the apartment that it requires calling in professionals like Service Master to get rid of it. It seriously permeates everything.

That shit is no joke.

whiny person alert

asthma is directly linked to pollen count & mold spore rates. states such as Hawaii, missouri & New York have the highest asthma rates.

http://www.cdc.gov/VitalSigns/Asthma/#StateInfo

**DaKCMan AP** · 06-01-2012, 06:40 AM

Even if it doesn't pose a significant health risk (which I believe it does), second-hand smoke smells bad, makes it difficult for me to breath, and leaves my clothes smelling like crap. That alone is enough for me to support non-smoking regulations and environments.

**Bugeater** · 06-01-2012, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

whiny person alert

asthma is directly linked to pollen count & mold spore rates. states such as Hawaii, missouri & New York have the highest asthma rates.

http://www.cdc.gov/VitalSigns/Asthma/#StateInfo

Secondhand smoke may not "cause" asthma, but the smell can certainly trigger an asthma attack.

**J Diddy** · 06-01-2012, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

But a plumber isn't working at the table next to me while I'm eating.

I don't know where you are eating, but most restaurants have different sections for that. A lot of restaurants don't allow it in the first place.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 06-01-2012, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

I don't know where you are eating, but most restaurants have different sections for that. A lot of restaurants don't allow it in the first place.

Oh I know. I've only been to two places in the past few years where it was a problem. One of them was a sports bar for lunch. It was so bad that we had to leave before we ordered.

jspchief · 06-01-2012, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Even if it doesn't pose a significant health risk (which I believe it does), second-hand smoke smells bad, makes it difficult for me to breath, and leaves my clothes smelling like crap. That alone is enough for me to support non-smoking regulations and environments.

Pretty much.

Rasputin · 06-01-2012, 07:20 AM

Has any one here tried the electronic cigarettes? I've had a friend who uses one and she likes it and there is no second hand smoke from it. I guess they work pretty good and you get the same hit effect as if your were smoking a real cigarette.

I like to smoke & know the health hazzards, I'm in no hurry to quit but I want to quit someday. I think the electronic cigarette could be a good alternative to actual smoking.?.

KCUnited · 06-01-2012, 07:21 AM

It is a lot easier for my son to enjoy his chili cheese burger and mozzarella sticks without someone's second hand smoke blowing in his face. Plus, I feel better about it.

jspchief · 06-01-2012, 07:23 AM

Second hand smoke is perfectly fine.

That's why smokers always hold a smoldering cigarette right in front of their face instead of off to the side.

06-01-2012, 01:42 AM
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06-01-2012, 05:43 AM	#16
Ace Gunner First Overall Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: kcmo Casino cash: $10007271	I have smoked. I quit. twice. I have asthma and it effects my condition. the tobacco most ppl smoke is altered, it's much worse imo than real tobacco. 2nd hand smoke occasionally triggers my asthma, other than this, eh. it's a political ploy to open a new book of dictatorship. is it disgusting? ya, to some. so is a plumber's job, to some. imo cigar smoking is nasty shit and it seems to effect my asthma much more. but I deal with it leaving the area. I think some regs are good, but ya, some regs are just tardo demonization designed to polarize & give the whiny faction leverage they don't deserve. __________________ The Greatest
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06-01-2012, 05:53 AM	#17
penchief MVP Join Date: Feb 2003 Casino cash: $6315286	Seriously? The data that shows children who are exposed to second hand smoke are more apt to suffer from asthma isn't enough to tell you that second hand smoke effects you? All the data that shows increased incidents of heart disease and lung disease in non-smokers who have long term exposrue to second hand smoke isn't made up. You don't have to be a scientist to recognize how potent cigarette smoke is. All you have to do is be around it one time after not being around it for a while. It permeates everything. Have you ever seen the apartment of a two pack a day smoker who has lived in the same place for several years? When they move out, the tar and nicotine residue is so thick in the apartment that it requires calling in professionals like Service Master to get rid of it. It seriously permeates everything. That shit is no joke.
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06-01-2012, 06:25 AM	#21
Saul Good Quit your bullshit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bored of winning Casino cash: $10052799	Cigarette smoke is filthy and disgusting. I am 33 years old and have literally never smoked a cigarette in my life. I love non-smoking bars. That said, the studies I have read don't support second hand smoke being more than a nuisance. Loud music at a bar is more dangerous than smoke. Let the property owner decide what to allow, and the customers can decide where to go. __________________ Today is not a good day to be a pussy.
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06-01-2012, 06:40 AM	#23
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $6714952	Even if it doesn't pose a significant health risk (which I believe it does), second-hand smoke smells bad, makes it difficult for me to breath, and leaves my clothes smelling like crap. That alone is enough for me to support non-smoking regulations and environments. __________________
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06-01-2012, 07:20 AM	#28
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $3155421	Has any one here tried the electronic cigarettes? I've had a friend who uses one and she likes it and there is no second hand smoke from it. I guess they work pretty good and you get the same hit effect as if your were smoking a real cigarette. I like to smoke & know the health hazzards, I'm in no hurry to quit but I want to quit someday. I think the electronic cigarette could be a good alternative to actual smoking.?. __________________ A Brave Man Once Requested Me To Answer Questions That Are Key 'Is It To Be Or Not To Be' And I Replied Oh Why Ask Me
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KCUnited Cheat Death Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Land of Drincoln Casino cash: $1898244	It is a lot easier for my son to enjoy his chili cheese burger and mozzarella sticks without someone's second hand smoke blowing in his face. Plus, I feel better about it.
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06-01-2012, 07:23 AM	#30
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Second hand smoke is perfectly fine. That's why smokers always hold a smoldering cigarette right in front of their face instead of off to the side. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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