Should those who in our armed forces deserve entitlements?

[Old Dog]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I appreciate the military very much, but I get really tired of the "military worship" that we have in our society these days. It's ridiculous. It's a volunteer force. It's not like they were drafted.

+1 and this is from someone who did nearly 23 years on active duty before I retired.
I did half a dozen deployments and you know what that makes me? Someone who did his damn JOB. Just because I got up and went to work in another country doesn't make me some kind of fricking hero like some of these kids think they are.


Sorry for my bit of a rant, but this is something that bugs the hell out of me.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

+1 and this is from someone who did nearly 23 years on active duty before I retired.
I did half a dozen deployments and you know what that makes me? Someone who did his damn JOB. Just because I got up and went to work in another country doesn't make me some kind of fricking hero like some of these kids think they are.


Sorry for my bit of a rant, but this is something that bugs the hell out of me.

It's also not like everybody who puts on a uniform is Captain America. All kinds of people in the service, just like anywhere else. Some are pricks. Some are really big pricks. I spent my last three years at the Great Lakes Legal Service Office involved in court-martialing lots of them, and believe me, I saw the hind end of the recruiting spectrum.

If you take some guy who was a loudmouth bullying douche before and turn him into a Marine, sometimes you just end up with a loudmouth bullying douche with a serious attitude problem and combat skills.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by frazod

It's also not like everybody who puts on a uniform is Captain America. All kinds of people in the service, just like anywhere else. Some are pricks. Some are really big pricks. I spent my last three years at the Great Lakes Legal Service Office involved in court-martialing lots of them, and believe me, I saw the hind end of the recruiting spectrum.

If you take some guy who was a loudmouth bullying douche before and turn him into a Marine, sometimes you just end up with a loudmouth bullying douche with a serious attitude problem and combat skills.

This.

[demonhero]

Originally Posted by frazod

It's also not like everybody who puts on a uniform is Captain America. All kinds of people in the service, just like anywhere else. Some are pricks. Some are really big pricks. I spent my last three years at the Great Lakes Legal Service Office involved in court-martialing lots of them, and believe me, I saw the hind end of the recruiting spectrum.

If you take some guy who was a loudmouth bullying douche before and turn him into a Marine, sometimes you just end up with a loudmouth bullying douche with a serious attitude problem and combat skills.

LOL, find me some Marines that aren't loudmouth bullies. Kinda goes along with our branch. The ones that get court-martialed are just ****tards.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by demonhero

LOL, find me some Marines that aren't loudmouth bullies. Kinda goes along with our branch. The ones that get court-martialed are just ****tards.

Heh. I remember when I was in A School, there were Marines at that base as well (NTTC in Meridian - speaking of hellholes). I overheard a Marine say he was from Chillicothe, which is about 40 miles from my hometown. I said "Hey, I'm from Kirksville." I could tell that he wanted to say something to me, but he was with a couple of other jarheads who were both giving me dirty looks, and he just turned away. It was kind of sad.

Of course, Chillicothe sucks anyway. And I mentioned that to him as he was walking away.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by frazod

It's also not like everybody who puts on a uniform is Captain America. All kinds of people in the service, just like anywhere else. Some are pricks. Some are really big pricks. I spent my last three years at the Great Lakes Legal Service Office involved in court-martialing lots of them, and believe me, I saw the hind end of the recruiting spectrum.

If you take some guy who was a loudmouth bullying douche before and turn him into a Marine, sometimes you just end up with a loudmouth bullying douche with a serious attitude problem and combat skills.

Not to mention all of the young criminal offenders who are given the choice of either going to jail or joining the Army, Marines.
There is a certain breed of people who are in the military (definitely not the majority) that are ****ed up in the head. I'll never forget the three Marines who were laughing as they told me the story of how they threw a grenade into a house right after they looked in and saw a woman cooking breakfast for a small child in Iraq. He could tell I was disgusted, and he said: "hey, Bush came over the television and told them to get out of the area. Hahahahahaha"
Or the other huge Jarhead who told me that he raped an Iraqi girl AFTER she'd pissed he pants from being so scared.

[Old Dog]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Not to mention all of the young criminal offenders who are given the choice of either going to jail or joining the Army, Marines.

I don't believe this is a common occurence today (though I could be mistaken). 15-20 years ago, it absolutely happened. In the 70s however it was a very common practice.

Originally Posted by beach tribe

There is a certain breed of people who are in the military (definitely not the majority) that are ****ed up in the head.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but this is aligned with a saying that just bugs me. I hear something akin to, "Boy the military sure has changed since my day" all the damn time.
It's NOT the military that has changed, IT'S SOCIETY AS A WHOLE.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

I don't believe this is a common occurence today (though I could be mistaken). 15-20 years ago, it absolutely happened. In the 70s however it was a very common practice.



I'm not trying to be argumentative, but this is aligned with a saying that just bugs me. I hear something akin to, "Boy the military sure has changed since my day" all the damn time.
It's NOT the military that has changed, IT'S SOCIETY AS A WHOLE.

As a current Army recruiter I can say that this does not happen. A recruiter can and will lose his/her career if they advise someone on that. The "go to war or go to jail" mentality is long gone and the Army will not accept anyone who falls into that category. Also as a recruiter, I can totally agree with the second bolded statement.

[demonhero]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Not to mention all of the young criminal offenders who are given the choice of either going to jail or joining the Army, Marines.
There is a certain breed of people who are in the military (definitely not the majority) that are ****ed up in the head. I'll never forget the three Marines who were laughing as they told me the story of how they threw a grenade into a house right after they looked in and saw a woman cooking breakfast for a small child in Iraq. He could tell I was disgusted, and he said: "hey, Bush came over the television and told them to get out of the area. Hahahahahaha"
Or the other huge Jarhead who told me that he raped an Iraqi girl AFTER she'd pissed he pants from being so scared.

Try getting into the Marines with a record.. This isn't 20 years ago when they used the old go to jail or join deal.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by demonhero

Try getting into the Marines with a record.. This isn't 20 years ago when they used the old go to jail or join deal.

Not to mention it sounded to me like he was talking to 2 guys who never left a desk but are big story tellers trying to talk tough and mean.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

+1 and this is from someone who did nearly 23 years on active duty before I retired.
I did half a dozen deployments and you know what that makes me? Someone who did his damn JOB. Just because I got up and went to work in another country doesn't make me some kind of fricking hero like some of these kids think they are.


Sorry for my bit of a rant, but this is something that bugs the hell out of me.

Bravo old dog exactly my sentiments although I didn't serve I've never understood the worship of it.

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