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Old 12-10-2012, 03:44 PM  
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You scared?

Any of you guys worried this year marks the beginning of another seriously dry spell for Chiefs football? I can easily see them blowing for another decade based on this horrific tenure by Pioli. Am I just paranoid or is this a legitimate fear? I don't want to become a casual fan who watches 3 games a year.

Anybody have any reason for optimism in 2013 and 2014? I know high first round draft picks are reason for optimism but the bust rate for quarterbacks is higher than defensive linemen and we all know how we've fared selecting early defensive linemen.

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Old 12-10-2012, 06:31 PM   #241
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If there is a telling sign that Clark is in over his head its those comments by Kevin Ross that Pioli intentionally put a halt to player charities and general player involvement in community efforts. Clark would have to have known about such a thing, and would have to have given the OK on it (even an implicit OK).

It's a sign that Clark doesn't understand (never understood?) what makes a professional sports team a success in a market like Kansas City.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:32 PM   #242
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I'm not on any "down with Clark" sentiment, but I think its worth pondering how much ownership can make for a successful franchise.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:32 PM   #243
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And yes, leadership at the top can make a huge difference. You could simply say Hunt has made one mistake, or you could see that he's clearly disengaged and let that one mistake become what we see today. FFS, if you were the owner of the Chiefs and half the shit we've heard about how Pioli runs things is true, wouldn't you take some responsibility and put a stop to it? Of course it's not all on Hunt... it's hard to imagine one single person being responsible for so much incompetence, but it does start at the top.
Yes, and we are counting on him to make the right decision after the season.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:32 PM   #244
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:33 PM   #245
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I'm not on any "down with Clark" sentiment, but I think its worth pondering how much ownership can make for a successful franchise.
We'll see soon enough.

Well, maybe not soon. Depends on how well the next hire goes.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:33 PM   #246
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It is his FIRST hire.

Can we let the guy make a decision after this season?

You still have not said what Clark should have done differently at this point.

He's not the 1st owner to fail at selecting a GM.
This isnt a ****ing Quiznos where we didn't get the right night manager it is a one billion dollar organization and a pro sports franchise that people pour their heart, time, and money into.

This isn't the time for ****ing training wheels. What an embarrassment.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:34 PM   #247
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Yes, and we are counting on him to make the right decision after the season.
BUT THAT WILL ONLY BE HIS SECOND HIRE.

I mean...these guys dont really understand what they are doing till number 3. That is what you will post in another 4 or 5 years right?
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:35 PM   #248
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I'm not on any "down with Clark" sentiment, but I think its worth pondering how much ownership can make for a successful franchise.
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**** off, Zack.

You're just a trolling bitch at this point.
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BUT THAT WILL ONLY BE HIS SECOND HIRE.

I mean...these guys dont really understand what they are doing till number 3. That is what you will post in another 4 or 5 years right?
I've yet to see anyone even imply this.

Matter of fact, most if not all have either said or implied that if he retains Pioli, or ****s up the next hire, your points gain some weight.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:38 PM   #251
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If there is a telling sign that Clark is in over his head its those comments by Kevin Ross that Pioli intentionally put a halt to player charities and general player involvement in community efforts. Clark would have to have known about such a thing, and would have to have given the OK on it (even an implicit OK).

It's a sign that Clark doesn't understand (never understood?) what makes a professional sports team a success in a market like Kansas City.
Where does the absentee owner that doesn't quite have a good pulse on the day to day of his own org and the fans stop and the guy who just makes the wrong decisions start?
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:38 PM   #252
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Yes, and we are counting on him to make the right decision after the season.
Well, that's the minimum and it's more financial than anything.... there are freakin' planes flying over Arrowhead, fans wearing black to games, etc. Taking care of the problem by firing Pioli at the end of the season doesn't necessarily have anything to do with a culture change beyond not being one of the worst franchises in professional football.

Like Reaper said, he's made decisions that force you to question whether he really knows what it takes to be successful. If he hires another GM and lets him make such horrible mistakes for 3 more years, the Chiefs won't be any better off. Someone at the top should be there to prevent some of those things from ever happening in the first place.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:42 PM   #253
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I'm scared of the future but that more has to do with the unknown with Pioli still here. As long as Pioli is running this sh*t show we are going to be destined to the cellar. Not only do we suck on the field, but there is no pride within the organization or fanbase anymore. We are like zombies or robots inside Arrowhead. This organization won't go anywhere until we clean house, get a new GM/HC/QB.

We have sucked as a whole for a long time now. The 90's and early 00's were fun but we were just good and not great. With that said I would take those days back in a heartbeat right now, along with a franchise that showed heart and charity amongst its fanbase.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:45 PM   #254
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can anyone say with a straight face that this franchise's #1 priority is winning?

or that it cares about the fans more than anything?


of course not....everything about the Chiefs is uninspired, there is no passion within the organization and this translates into indifference (at best) and contempt (at worst) for the fanbase...

the idea that Clark could do nothing - and is responsible for nothing - beyond hiring a GM is also weird...every member of the Chiefs organization should be clear that winning a championship is the obsessive goal, and that cultivating the loyalty of the fans is job #1, and Clark has to send that message every day for it to be real...he has to have the passion and express it

anyone think that's true?

not me
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can anyone say with a straight face that this franchise's #1 priority is winning?

or that it cares about the fans more than anything?


of course not....everything about the Chiefs is uninspired, there is no passion within the organization and this translates into indifference (at best) and contempt (at worst) for the fanbase...

the idea that Clark could do nothing - and is responsible for nothing - beyond hiring a GM is also weird...every member of the Chiefs organization should be clear that winning a championship is the obsessive goal, and that cultivating the loyalty of the fans is job #1, and Clark has to send that message every day for it to be real...he has to have the passion and express it

anyone think that's true?

not me
I couldn't agree more. People are over simplifying Clark's role (or at least what his role should be) and the importance of the right culture in a business.
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