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A mock draft that will make your heads explode

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NFP Mock Draft 3.0
National Football PostBy Russ Lande | National Football Post – 4 hours ago



Trying to predict what players will be chosen by specific teams is nearly impossible before the All Star games, Combine and Pro Days, but below is the first mock draft of the new year. As always I try to match hat I am hearing about team's desires with what I believe are the best players available, so take a look and send me your thoughts.

1. Kansas City Chiefs: Manti Te’o, MLB, Notre Dame, Senior: No quarterback warrants being the first overall pick and after Jovan Belcher’s suicide the Chiefs have a strong need for another impact linebacker and Te’o can be that player.

2. Jacksonville Jaguars: Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State, Junior: While many may expect the Jaguars to reach for a quarterback to replace Blaine Gabbert, we believe that Tim Tebow will be that player. So the new general manager can focus on improving the Jaguars pass rush, which has struggled with consistency in recent seasons.

3. Oakland Raiders: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M, Junior: With many needs the Raiders make the decision to draft Joeckel who is viewed as potentially one of the safer choices in the Draft. Joeckel could either upgrade the Raiders at left tackle and push Veldheer to the right side or could take over at right tackle while Veldheer stays on the left; either way the Raiders offensive line improves greatly.

4. Philadelphia Eagles: Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M, Junior: Without Jason Peters playing left tackle in 2012 the Eagles’ offensive line struggled all season. So drafting Matthews gives them insurance in case Peters struggles to return from injury and could be a big upgrade at right tackle if Peters is healthy and back at left tackle for the 2013 season.

5. Detroit Lions: Kenny Vaccaro, SAF, Texas, Senior: Louis Delmas is starting to get the “injury prone” label and the Lions do not have a top level safety to play next to him. While some may view Vaccaro as a reach, we believe he would be an immediate starter for the Lions and would upgrade their pass defense.

6. Cleveland Browns: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama, Senior: The Browns have a ton of young offensive talent at the skill positions, but for them to blossom their offensive line needs to improve. Warmack would upgrade their interior offensive line play and improve their rushing attack immediately.

7. Arizona Cardinals: Mike Glennon, QB, N.C. State, Senior: Whomever the new head coach in Arizona ends up being, he likely will not want to count on Kolb, Skelton or Lindley for the future . So they draft the strong armed Glennon who reminds us a tremendous amount of Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan.

8. Buffalo Bills: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan, Junior: With OG Andy Levitre an unrestricted free agent and no established right tackle on the roster; the Bills grab Lewan who could start at right tackle from day one.

9. New York Jets: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia, Junior: While the Jets are likely to draft a quarterback to challenge Sanchez, they do not want to reach for one here. So they jump at the chance to add the explosive Jones who should upgrade their outside pass rush immediately.

10. Tennessee Titans: Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama, Junior: The Titans have a number of holes, but the chance to add a strong and physical cornerback with pro bowl potential makes too much sense for them to pass up.

11. San Diego Chargers: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan, Senior: A better prospect coming out of school than Joe Staley, Fisher could take over at left tackle and help keep Philip Rivers upright for the rest of his career.

12. Miami Dolphins: Keenan Allen, WR, California, Junior: Quarterback Ryan Tannehill showed flashes that he can be the long term answer for the Dolphins, but he needs weapons. Allen is a big play receiver who can “take the top off the defense” to open everything up for their offense.

13. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia, Senior: The Buccaneers right side of their offensive line struggled with consistency in 2012, which leads to their choice of Aboushi who is strong, physical and consistent. He should challenge to start at either right tackle or right guard as a rookie.

14. Carolina Panthers: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah, Senior: Carolina has two quality defensive ends in Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy, but its interior defensive line continued to struggle in 2012. Lotulelei would be an impact player in the middle of its defensive line from day one, which would upgrade the Panthers’ defense.

15. New Orleans Saints: Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri, Junior: Sedric Ellis is an unrestricted free agent and the Saints need to upgrade their defense. Richardson would give them an explosive, penetrating defensive tackle that would regularly make impact plays behind the LOS.

16. St. Louis Rams: Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina, Senior: Quarterback Sam Bradford was constantly under pressure in 2012 and Cooper is an athletic and powerful lineman with the talent to start at guard or center for the Rams.

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: Dion Jordan, OLB, Oregon, Senior: James Harrison was not the impact pass rusher in 2012 that he was earlier in his career and Lamarr Woodley struggled with injuries throughout 2012, so they add Jordan. Jordan could backup both in 2013 while adding explosiveness and speed to the Steelers pass rush.

18. Dallas Cowboys: Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State, Junior: Neither Jason Hatcher or Marcus Spears has become an elite defensive lineman and Hankins would add size and strength to the defensive end position in the Cowboys 34 scheme.

19. New York Giants: Ezekial Ansah, DE, BYU, Senior: Osi Umenyiora ‘s contract is up so he will likely not be back and Justin Tuck has recorded two straight up and down seasons. Ansah is raw, but similar to Jason Pierre Paul in terms of athleticism, competitiveness and potential.

20. Chicago Bears: Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma, Senior: To say the Bears offensive line has been a major weakness in recent seasons would be an under-statement. Johnson has only played offensive tackle for two seasons and with his height, long arms and athleticism his upside is outstanding.

21 P. Cincinnati Bengals: Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee, Junior: The Bengals hit big time on their selection of AJ Green and like the potential of Marvin jones, but the chance to grab Patterson, who reminds us a lot of Falcons’ receiver Roddy White, makes too much sense as he would be a great weapon opposite Green.

22 P. St. Louis Rams (From Washington): Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia, Senior: After upgrading their offensive line with their first first round pick, the Rams get the most explosive offensive weapon in the Draft for Bradford to throw to.

23 P. Baltimore Ravens: Alex Ogletree, LB, Georgia, Junior: With Ray Lewis coming off a major injury and entering his 18th season in 2013, the Ravens jump at chance to grab Ogletree who is the most explosive inside linebacker in the Draft.

24 P. Minnesota Vikings: Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama, Senior: Longtime stud defensive tackle Kevin Williams is 32, so the Vikings grab Williams who can be their third defensive tackle in 2013 and take over as starter when Williams is done.

25 P. Indianapolis Colts: Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State, Senior: Ryan Grigson pulled off a great trade getting cornerback Vontae Davis and now he drafts Banks to shore up the other cornerback position.

26 P. Seattle Seahawks: Barrett Jones, C / OG, Alabama, Senior: Jones is not a top athlete, but he is a smart, aggressive and versatile lineman who could start at center, guard or even tackle for Seahawks in the future.

27 P. Green Bay Packers: Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame, Senior: Current tight end Jermichael Finley is not expected to return to team in 2013, so the Packers upgrade the position by drafting Eifert whose combination of size, athleticism and hands are tough to find.

28 P. San Francisco 49ers: Margus Hunt, DE, SMU, Senior: Since defensive end Justin Smith was injured, the 49ers defense has struggled greatly, so they need to find a young defensive lineman to groom as his replacement. Hunt is an incredible athlete with great length, explosiveness and strength who could turn into a star in a season or two.

29 P. Houston Texans: Eric Reid, SAF, LSU, Junior: The Texans have been expected to draft a receiver in the first round to play opposite Andre Johnson every year and never have, so I believe they will continue that trend and focus on a different position. Reid is an active safety with the toughness to be a force against the run and the range and coverage skills to help the Texans deep coverage.

30 P. New England Patriots: Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M, Junior: The Patriots pass rush still struggles to get consistent pressure, so they take a gamble on Moore who has the talent to become a dominating outside linebacker in their system and bring positional versatility to their defense, which Belichick gives enormous weight to.

31 P. Atlanta Falcons: Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU, Junior: John Abraham is not getting any younger, so the Falcons draft Montgomery to backup Abraham and Biermann in 2013 and take over for Abraham when he retires.

32 P. Denver Broncos: David Amerson, CB, N.C. State, Junior: Champ Bailey is nearing the end of a Hall of Fame Career, so Coach Fox adds Amerson who has the combination of size, strength, willingness to play physical and coverage skills to be a solid all-around cornerback.
No Geno in the first round. Not very realistic AT ALL, but....if you could get Geno in the second round--and it was guarenteed--who would you pick #1?
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Old 01-01-2013, 07:00 PM   #76
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A big reason this defense sucked, is because our secondary got torched, we were alright against the run this year, but our pass defense was pretty bad. I mean Travis Daniels and Jalil Brown? Really? We weren't even getting beat by the opposing team's QB's, if we played Croyle each week, he'd probably have had 9-10 wins without blinking.

Letting Carr go for Routt, then cutting Routt and having no legitimate depth behind them was DUMB, but that is another argument for another thread.
Yeah we agree here. After qb, we need a cb and safety if bowe and Albert stay.
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Old 01-01-2013, 07:01 PM   #77
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You're right, I don't. Because this team has NO ****ING QB!
We don't have a corner aside from Flowers either....... that was honestly one of the biggest setbacks this year, aside from standard Cassel play.

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Man your memory of what QB's were "locks" going into past drafts is pretty poor. Stop being so ****ing afraid of drafting a QB. You need to take a chance. You can't win without a QB. Go ahead and try to improve the team and ignore the QB position and enjoy not winning a SB. Do you watch the NFL?
I do watch the NFL, I was all for going after Peyton Manning and drafting a project QB last year, was all for Drafting Mallet the year before, and we didn't, was happy to draft Stanzi in the fifth, and this brings me to another point that is extremely important here.

You want me to believe that we should draft a QB with the #1 pick in the draft, when we didn't even give our #3 QB an active roster spot in the last game of the year against a team we knew we'd get tossed around by, in the chance that we'd be down by 14-21 points and give him a drive to see if he can actually play in a live game and apparently reverse the "picture" we have of him currently?

You expect me to buy into the draft a QB with the #1 pick mantra, when the history of this team, this fandom, is afraid of QB's and the "curse"?

Do you really blame me? I'm not afraid of taking a chance on a lock like Luck, but there is no lock in this draft as of this very moment.

That being said, I am STILL all for getting a QB in the draft, and especially if Geno/Wilson/Bray end up posting good Combines and Pro Days.

I'm just not going to blatantly ignore the fact that we have two very big glaring holes on the defensive side of our game either.
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Old 01-01-2013, 07:01 PM   #78
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Yeah we agree here. After qb, we need a cb and safety if bowe and Albert stay.
Yes. But the gap for anything after QB is big. Drafting a LB before QB or CB is a complete joke.
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It's fascinating to me that people get paid to write and haven't realized that with the new rookie pay scale a QB is going to go #1 overall 9.5 times out of 10...and that other 0.5 times is for when an Adrian Peterson or Calvin Johnson is in the draft (which isn't available this year).

Yes, the rookie pay scale is even friendlier to RB's since you don't have to give a McFadden $40M anymore...you can get a guy at #5 and pay $16M or something totally reasonable

BUT YES...$25M is A LOT for an ILB...it is Kyle Orton for QB's. A QB is going #1 in this draft no matter what.

anyone mocking anything else is an idiot...
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You want me to believe that we should draft a QB with the #1 pick in the draft, when we didn't even give our #3 QB an active roster spot in the last game of the year against a team we knew we'd get tossed around by, in the chance that we'd be down by 14-21 points and give him a drive to see if he can actually play in a live game and apparently reverse the "picture" we have of him currently?

You expect me to buy into the draft a QB with the #1 pick mantra, when the history of this team, this fandom, is afraid of QB's and the "curse"?

Do you really blame me? I'm not afraid of taking a chance on a lock like Luck, but there is no lock in this draft as of this very moment.

That being said, I am STILL all for getting a QB in the draft, and especially if Geno/Wilson/Bray end up posting good Combines and Pro Days.

I'm just not going to blatantly ignore the fact that we have two very big glaring holes on the defensive side of our game either.
Yeah I do blame you. I blame you for first starting the argument by saying you would be fine taking Teo and now trying to say its about what you think is going to happen, not what you want to happen. You said you are cool taking Teo if thats what KC thinks is best and I fully blame you for that.

As for what Stanzi did, are you kidding me? What does the handling of the QB position by Crennel and Pioli have to do with what the next group will do. Especially when Clark made mention of the QB position.

The ILB position is not nearly as big a hole as the QB and CB position. Hell, even if Albert and Bowe are kept, DL and Safety may be more important. You can fill ILB later in the draft. Happens all the time.

I am so sick and tired of the "lock" QB. Are you seriously going to wait for th next Luck to come around. Grow some balls and take a ****ing chance. This isn't the nuclear bomb. Failing with a QB doesn't **** you for 5 years anymore. Look at what we have done being afraid of taking a QB. How is not fixing the QB position less risky? Alex Smith, Glennon ect. Those aren't bigger risks? Sorry, I do blame you and everybody that thinks the way you do.
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let's trade our #1 pick to Jason Whitlock for Jeff George
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Old 01-01-2013, 07:10 PM   #82
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I do watch the NFL, I was all for going after Peyton Manning and drafting a project QB last year, was all for Drafting Mallet the year before, and we didn't, was happy to draft Stanzi in the fifth,
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Same.

Go watch a bunch of Geno tape, I think you can be converted.
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Lol DJ has won 2 or 3 games for us?



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Yes, ironically enough, he has. He's made plays on defense that have either ended games, given us the chance to win, or nailed the door shut on a turnover to seal the game. You did watch DJ play in 2010 right?

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You don't win a SB without a QB plan an simple. You obviously need other players but you don't ****ing start with them. Every team that has fails. You keep talking about things that are flawed, the entire argument that a player that is clear cut best at his position should be taken over another where its debatable is a complete joke.
I think you mean Plain and simple, as there is no simple plan for winning a Super Bowl when your team has no QB, no depth at CB, and no depth on the offensive line.

I'm not saying we should take Te'o because he's the consensus best, I'm just pointing out that he's above and beyond the best at his position in this draft, and we don't have that same comparison at the QB position, so you can't say there is a guaranteed "lock" there for us, as this is the shittiest QB draft in a decade, yet the defensive side of the draft is STACKED to the brim.

I'm still 100% behind drafting a QB if there is one that is good enough for us that fits our system.
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Not really...

You're trying to say that we should draft a ****ing ILB #1 because he's the "consensus" best ILB when there isn't a "consensus" best QB.

I haven't looked but I bet there are some other far less important positions with a consensus best player... We should draft them #1 overall.
I'm not "trying" to say anything here. I've said it. There is no consensus best QB, but there is a consensus best ILB, and if no QB manages to separate himself from the pack, or improve his actual "prominence" as analysts see it, I'm not OPPOSED to drafting a guy like Te'o, and then going and getting Wilson or Bray in the 2nd round. No mistake about it, in the first 40 selections of this draft (adjusting for a possible trade here), we will have a QB there is no doubt about it. It is more about who and when we draft them.

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We have to take a QB no 1. Whoever is the best prospect at QB take him. But it doesnt matter unless Pioli is gone
Even if they all project to be 2-3rd round talents after the combine and some big name guy gets let go like Romo? I'm not for a Retread, but lets hypothesize for a bit. Say Geno slips to the second round but has the best overall mechanics, just needs a little time to get up to speed. Are you opposed to signing Romo, drafting Geno in the 2nd, and picking up Te'O or an LT with our first pick of the draft depending on what happens with Albert?
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Yeah we agree here. After qb, we need a cb and safety if bowe and Albert stay.
What is getting lost here is the importance of what we do with some of our players in the off season. As it stands right now, we don't draft a QB with our first pick if Albert is let go. That much is guaranteed.

We go LT with our first pick, and QB with our 2nd and I'll bet the world on that one.
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I'd rather take a punter #1 overall than an ILB.

Wasting a #1 on a OT, DL, ILB...****ing STUPID.

Take a QB, take a WR, take a RB, take a stud ****ing rush backer...NOTHING else is worth it...and if Matty Quinsell is your god damn QB you take the best GD QB in the draft and pat yourself on the back.
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does Teo run a 4.2 40? Can he rep 225 60 times? Does he have a 60" vertical and what will his Wonderlic be? 48?

If he's all those things...then I think I'd probably

draft Geno
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The only way I'm fine with not using #1 on a QB is if there is a trade partner that keeps us in the top 10 and gives us another 2nd. Then we still get one of the top
3 QBs in all likely hood, could trade our 3rd for a Flynn or Cousins type guy and use the two seconds on CB, WR, or LB combo.

Of course, that would require a trade partner and I
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Some people got so worried about filling other holes. Look at SB winners. Most actually had some pretty big holes in places EXCEPT one. That includes the secondary, LB position, ect ect. Only one of those positions has not been a weak one.
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We don't have a corner aside from Flowers either....... that was honestly one of the biggest setbacks this year, aside from standard Cassel play.



I do watch the NFL, I was all for going after Peyton Manning and drafting a project QB last year, was all for Drafting Mallet the year before, and we didn't, was happy to draft Stanzi in the fifth, and this brings me to another point that is extremely important here.

You want me to believe that we should draft a QB with the #1 pick in the draft, when we didn't even give our #3 QB an active roster spot in the last game of the year against a team we knew we'd get tossed around by, in the chance that we'd be down by 14-21 points and give him a drive to see if he can actually play in a live game and apparently reverse the "picture" we have of him currently?

You expect me to buy into the draft a QB with the #1 pick mantra, when the history of this team, this fandom, is afraid of QB's and the "curse"?

Do you really blame me? I'm not afraid of taking a chance on a lock like Luck, but there is no lock in this draft as of this very moment.

That being said, I am STILL all for getting a QB in the draft, and especially if Geno/Wilson/Bray end up posting good Combines and Pro Days.

I'm just not going to blatantly ignore the fact that we have two very big glaring holes on the defensive side of our game either.
How often do "locks like Luck" come around? Once every decade or so. Your and idiot.

Let me break this down for you:
2012 Superbowl:
NE - QB - Tom Brady; ILB - Brandon Spikes/Jerod Mayo
NYG - QB - Eli Manning; ILB - Chase Blackburn

2011 Superbowl
PIT - QB - Ben Roethlisberger; ILB - James Farrior/Lawrence Timmons
GB - QB - Aaron Rodgers; ILB - Desmond Bishop/AJ Hawk

2010 Superbowl
NO - QB - Drew Brees; ILB - Jonathan Vilma
IND - QB - Peyton Manning; ILB - Gary Brackett

2009 Superbowl
PIT - QB - Ben Roethlisberger; ILB - Larry Foote, James Farrior
ARI - QB - Kurt Warner; ILB - Gerald Hayes

2008
NE - QB - Tom Brady; ILB - Tedy Bruschi/Junior Seau
NYG - QB - Eli Manning; ILB - Antonio Pierce




I wonder which correlates more to success?
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