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Old 01-29-2013, 05:58 AM  
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Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_...udioId=6212845

Pretty good stuff in here guys. Sorry if Q.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:01 PM   #346
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Also interesting is Dysert is rated at 6'4", but in the group photo him and geno look the same height, or close to it
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Old 01-31-2013, 06:44 AM   #347
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Also interesting is Dysert is rated at 6'4", but in the group photo him and geno look the same height, or close to it
When you see Dysert in pads, on the field with other players, like at the Senior Bowl, he doesn't look 6'4"...
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Old 01-31-2013, 06:49 AM   #348
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I think he measured at 6'3" at the senior bowl.
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:36 AM   #349
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A system can create completion percentage.

Ball placement is a product of biomechanics - either you can repeat your delivery or you can't.

You can improve in the margins, but that's about it. Think of it as moving within letter grades. If you're a B- level passer, you can become a B and maybe a B+, but a guy with B- accuracy is never going to be an A rated trhower and a person with C level accuracy as a rookie is almost certainly doomed to a career of mediocrity.

That said, the right system can mask it and I think it's the exact opposite of the system most would advocate. If only half of your balls are going to be accurate, might as well launch it downfield and make them count.

The short passing game should be utilized by truly pinpoint passers. I honestly think that your more scattershot arms should become downfield bombers. That's what finally made Eli effective and that's when Stafford was at his best.


Geno's accuracy is such that a smart coach will make him a guy that thrives by absolutely picking teams apart in the 10 yard range.
I disagree with the part in bold because, as you said, accuracy is all about bio-mechanics and repetitious motion. If you lack the ability to throw 10-15 yards accurately, you'll really notice when you stretch that pass out from 10 yards to 20+.

I guess what you are getting at is if it's going to be a crap shoot of a pass at 10 yards why not go for broke and gain chunks at a time, but we all saw what happened when Cassel tried to bomb it away. He either threw incomplete by over-throwing, got it picked or damn near killed his WR by under-throwing it.
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:41 AM   #350
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I guess what you are getting at is if it's going to be a crap shoot of a pass at 10 yards why not go for broke and gain chunks at a time, but we all saw what happened when Cassel tried to bomb it away. He either threw incomplete by over-throwing, got it picked or damn near killed his WR by under-throwing it.
He did that on SCREEN passes.

If you're going to throw a pick, it's better that it happens deep in your opponent's territory than on your own 35.
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:42 AM   #351
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He did that on SCREEN passes.

If you're going to throw a pick, it's better that it happens deep in your opponent's territory than on your own 35.
How many screen passes were intercepted and how many "bombs" were intercepted?
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:50 AM   #352
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How many screen passes were intercepted and how many "bombs" were intercepted?
You ready to flip out?

Here's Cassel's 2012 splits, charted by how far the ball traveled in the air. ALL of his picks (except 1 aberration) were on short or medium passes.
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:52 AM   #353
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You ready to flip out?

Here's Cassel's 2012 splits, charted by how far the ball traveled in the air. ALL of his picks (except 1 aberration) were on short or medium passes.
If you never throw a pass beyond 15 yards until you're down by 20 pts odds are that's where most your INT's will be...
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If you never throw a pass beyond 15 yards until you're down by 20 pts odds are that's where most your INT's will be...
Down by 20 points is irrelevant.

Dude doesn't throw downfield much at all, ever.

Which was precisely DJ's point.

The guy is going to throw picks no mattter where he throws it. Might as well throw it deep. At worst, it's a punt. At best, it's a PI penalty and a 1st down.
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Old 01-31-2013, 08:56 AM   #355
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Down by 20 points is irrelevant.

Dude doesn't throw downfield much at all, ever.

Which was precisely DJ's point.

The guy is going to throw picks no mattter where he throws it. Might as well throw it deep. At worst, it's a punt. At best, it's a PI penalty and a 1st down.
I'm not defending the POS I never wanted here.

He threw so many short passes you would have thought this was a WCO and you would have expected not average but extremely high completion percentages...
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I'm not defending the POS I never wanted here.

He threw so many short passes you would have thought this was a WCO and you would have expected not average but extremely high completion percentages...
I know, I'm not suggesting you are.

I'm just elaborating on DJ's point for mdchiefsfan.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:19 AM   #357
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You ready to flip out?

Here's Cassel's 2012 splits, charted by how far the ball traveled in the air. ALL of his picks (except 1 aberration) were on short or medium passes.
Those numbers are misleading if you really break it down:

1-10 yards make up 46% of his pass attempts at a 66% completion rate. He was picked off in this area on 4% of his attempts.

Add in the passes from the LOS and you make up for 66% of his passes which were picked off 3% of the time.

from 11-20 yards which make up 22% of his pass attempts with a 47.5 completion rate has him at a 4% chance of an interception/attempt.

Then add in all passes past 11 yards and you get 34% of his passes at a clip of 6% chance of interception/ attempt.

Obviously, you don't want to throw it out longer than 10 yards with Cassel.
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Those numbers are misleading if you really break it down:

1-10 yards make up 46% of his pass attempts at a 66% completion rate. He was picked off in this area on 4% of his attempts.

Add in the passes from the LOS and you make up for 66% of his passes which were picked off 3% of the time.

from 11-20 yards which make up 22% of his pass attempts with a 47.5 completion rate has him at a 4% chance of an interception/attempt.

Then add in all passes past 11 yards and you get 34% of his passes at a clip of 6% chance of interception/ attempt.

Obviously, you don't want to throw it out longer than 10 yards with Cassel.



10-20 make up 8% of his total pass attempts
You're completely missing the point.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:23 AM   #359
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You're completely missing the point.
please elaborate
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By compressing the passing game vertically, you increase his completion percentage but you BARELY affect his overall interception percentage.

Furthermore, by compressing it SO much that he can actually complete some passes, you neuter the offense to the point they can't even get a first down.

You'd be better off to chuck it deep more often and see if you could get a PI penalty. At the very least you're stretching the field and decompressing your running game and if he throws a pick, it's basically the same as punting.
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