What is so special about Clausen?

[Mr. Laz]

ok ... so alot of us are looking at Clausen. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Clausen but imo should we be looking at a special guy.

let's face it, the drafturbators just want a big named QB and they don't really give a shit whether the guy is really any good. They have lost their dam minds.

But ... what about the rest of us with a little bit of rationality left in our heads.

Is there anything Elite about Jimmy Clausen? Is he really worth the #5 pick?

Bradford - Elite Accuracy, superior football I.Q., NFL Size
Tebow - elite character, great athletic skills,great motivation
Clausen - ??
McCoy - ??


so let's hear it ... what is ELITE about Jimmy Clausen?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by milkman

I think for many of those that changed their minds, it has as much, or more, to do with Charlie Weis as it does with YouTube.

one poster even said that he was sorry he said what he did before he really, reviewed the tape, i think were his words. i cant search from the phone but im pretty sure it was pretty close to that. search and post it if you like.
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[SAUTO]

hamas said he wanted to wait in an ideal situation until next year, BUT thought clausen might be our last chance on a top qb. so basically he would take clausen just to take a qb high
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[milkman]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

one poster even said that he was sorry he said what he did before he really, reviewed the tape, i think were his words. i cant search from the phone but im pretty sure it was pretty close to that. search and post it if you like.
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I was generalizing, and I could also be wrong.

But my money says that the majority of posters that have changed their mind have doe so because of Weis.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

hamas said he wanted to wait in an ideal situation until next year, BUT thought clausen might be our last chance on a top qb. so basically he would take clausen just to take a qb high
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That would be one of only two reasons that taking Clausen would not piss me off.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by milkman

I was generalizing, and I could also be wrong.

But my money says that the majority of posters that have changed their mind have doe so because of Weis.

you could be right about the majority, put me there. the weis connection would make me excited to pick the guy.

but like i said there are some here with such an ego that they had to review those you tube highlights to know clausen was going to be great because before that they said that josh freeman was a better prospect than clausen. and that was in december IIRC
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[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

hamas said he wanted to wait in an ideal situation until next year, BUT thought clausen might be our last chance on a top qb. so basically he would take clausen just to take a qb high
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The language of your own post shows where you're wrong.

A "top QB" is not the same as "a QB."

This is the same as my statement that a Clausen in the hand is worth more than a Gabbert in the bush.

Which would I prefer? The latter.

But I can't make a decision today based on some faint hope for tomorrow.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The language of your own post shows where you're wrong.

A "top QB" is not the same as "a QB."

This is the same as my statement that a Clausen in the hand is worth more than a Gabbert in the bush.

Which would I prefer? The latter.

But I can't make a decision today based on some faint hope for tomorrow.

the thing about that is some have clausen dropping. most top qbs dont have that attached to them. not stafford, not bradford. where are the guys projecting them to drop?
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[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

the thing about that is some have clausen dropping. most top qbs dont have that attached to them. not stafford, not bradford. where are the guys projecting them to drop?
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I fundamentally disagree with the evaluations of Bradford, so it's hard for me to get beyond this point.

If you watch the Gruden QB camp, however, I think it's pretty clear the player whom he prefers.

"What is it about you and the 4th quarter, Jimmy?!?" slobber slobber slobber.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

in deez' thread he bumped from a couple of months ago some that want him now wanted nothing to do with him then. What changed their opinion?


Some youtube highlight videos. why is that ok but not ok for the guys that have concerns?
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i always thought he was a possibility

i went back and watch 60% of his snaps this last season. I was gonna watch them all but he's pretty feakin consistent.

A workmanlike QB who gets the job done ... nothing flashy.


reason i started the tread is because i wondered if anyone else saw something "flashy" that would lead them to think Clausen could be elite.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I fundamentally disagree with the evaluations of Bradford, so it's hard for me to get beyond this point.

If you watch the Gruden QB camp, however, I think it's pretty clear the player whom he prefers.

"What is it about you and the 4th quarter, Jimmy?!?" slobber slobber slobber.

I would rather have jimmy myself, but he does have his detractors. you mention gruden. hes just one guy. most have bradford as the 1. hes the consensus no 1. some are projecting jimmy to fall. why? why would they projecg such a cant miss prospect to fall with so many top drafting teams needing a qb?

small hands?
not great height?
not the heaviest guy?( gained 19 lbs to get to around 220iirc)
may or may not be a head case? ( you know be a douchebag)
i see these things and it makes me pause but with weis on board.....
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[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I would rather have jimmy myself, but he does have his detractors. you mention gruden. hes just one guy. most have bradford as the 1. hes the consensus no 1. some are projecting jimmy to fall. why? why would they projecg such a cant miss prospect to fall with so many top drafting teams needing a qb?

small hands?
not great height?
not the heaviest guy?( gained 19 lbs to get to around 220iirc)
may or may not be a head case? ( you know be a douchebag)
i see these things and it makes me pause but with weis on board.....
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Hand size and wind-up are the two biggest concerns. No question that those are on the table and need to be reconciled by the team who selects him.

They wouldn't deter me.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Hand size and wind-up are the two biggest concerns. No question that those are on the table and need to be reconciled by the team who selects him.

They wouldn't deter me.

yep i forgot the wind up. i would be ok but because of weis. otherwise the guy has a ton of question marks.
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[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

yep i forgot the wind up. i would be ok but because of weis. otherwise the guy has a ton of question marks.
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Not even close to a ton.

Solid and highly projectable prospect.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by milkman

I was generalizing, and I could also be wrong.

But my money says that the majority of posters that have changed their mind have doe so because of Weis.

I think that's the one argument that you can make regarding Clausen as a potential pick for the Chiefs - the familiarity in the system run by Weis. It's a factor, but I don't think that it's as big a factor as people are making it out to be. First off, he or any other rookie quarterback that we might take in this draft aren't going to start, and wouldn't likely see the field at all for the entire 2010 season. So, any quarterback that we would take, outside a guy like "Hot tub" Leinhart or "Vegas" Russell, would be expected to do a fair amount of studying and practicing and playing in the Weis system even before they were allowed/expected to be on the football field. After a year in the NFL in that system, I wouldn't hesitate to make the assumption that any quarterback would be, at that point, familiar with the system. To me, that Clausen is familiar with Weis' system is a non-issue in terms of how he equates to other potential rookie quarterbacks in terms of being the Chiefs first round draft pick.

So, one needs to look at his intangibles versus his "familiarity" with a specific system. (Again, the Chiefs aren't going to start a rookie quarterback this season regardless if it's John Elway, Fran Tarkenton, or Jimmy Clausen.)

Actually, I think one first needs to look at what he'd be competing with in terms of what the Chiefs currently have on the roster and ask what does/would Jimmy Clausen give you at this point over Matt Cassel, Brodie Croyle or Matt Gutierrrez?

Then there are the physical intangibles that one needs to consider.

1. Small Hands
- Clausen tied for the smallest hands measured at the combine.

2. Short Arms
- Second shortest arms of all QB's measured at the combine.

3. 3/4 Delivery
- Combine with the short arms, he'll really have to work to get the ball up, over and through NFL defensive fronts.

4. Lack of Mobility
- For his career, Clausen has -355 rushing yards. In his stellar junior season, he only ran for positive yardage (game total) twice - for one single yard each time.

5. One Year Wonder?
- He had 28 touchdowns and a mere 4 interceptions his junior year, but the previous year, he had 25 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. There were numerous games his freshman year where he was pulled from a game because of turnovers, bad throws, etc.

6. Win/Loss Record
- For all the hype, Clausen leaves Notre Dame with a 16-18 career win/loss record.

7. Early Entry
- Quarterbacks entering the NFL draft prior to their senior seasons have generally had trouble transitioning to the pro game.

8. Product of the System?
- Clausen, from an early age, was groomed to be a NFL quarterback. He trained with quarterback coaches early on, and both of his brothers were D1 quarterbacks. Is he more of a Todd Marinovich than a Joe Montana?

I personally don't see Clausen as anything above and beyond a player like Max Hall of BYU. Both have been termed as being cocky/arrogant, both are smaller than the current NFL prototype for the position, with smaller hands and shorter arms. However, both put up excellent numbers in what could be termed more pro-style sets. Both are considered to be accurate passers with good, but not great arm strength. Both benefitted from offensive schemes that focused on the passing game and both had excellent receivers during their careers. (Hall's career numbers and win-loss were susbtantially better than Clausen's numbers though.)

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Not even close to a ton.

Solid and highly projectable prospect.

so we have: winds up, not prototypical height or weight or hands and might be a douche. thats quite a bit of negative

and we have positives: played in a proset with our oc for 3 years. accurate, decent arm, and again Experience on OUR offense.

IMO that outweighs the negatives but its pretty close.
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