Taco John wants a new QB - Page 4

Hammock Parties · 01-10-2005, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Jake has got plenty of heart. He just can't pass from the pocket very well. He doesn't have pocket skills to hide his actions when he's standing in there. You know what Jake is going to do when he's in the pocket, because he's telegraphing it. From staring down routes, to hesitating before passes, Jake gives defenders the opportunity to react to what he's doing before he does it.

The bottom line is, do you, or don't you believe that Jake can win a Superbowl with the Broncos. It's my unfortunate displeasure to say that I don't. I love everything about Jake except the fact that he can't pass from the pocket, and we are in a passing league right now. We need a more complete quarterback.

Mile High Mania · 01-10-2005, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I hate to help you guys out, but Jeff George could probably be signed for a reasonable amount. I'm serious.

Thanks for the chuckle.

**morphius** · 01-10-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

One of the keys in FA ... beware of players that kicked ass in their contract year.

Can't argue with that at all.

Mile High Mania · 01-10-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Sorry. I guess I missed all the games that you wouldn't have won without him. I saw a couple that you might not have lost without him.

I'm not saying he's the end all be all. A field goal on 3rd down within the 30 would have won the game in the final minute at Jax. Q fumbles, game over. Q keeps the ball, Elam kicks the winner on 4th down.

Jake had 3 INTs vs ATL, but also had 499 yds and 4 TDs. Jake didn't let Vick rush for 115 yards and score 2 TDs to Price.

Jake didn't let Porter go for 160 yards and 2 TDs, letting a 13 point lead vanish.

Like I've said .. PLENTY of blame to be shared by those with and without grizzly beards.

Mile High Mania · 01-10-2005, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

We'll trade them Todd Collins to them for Champ Bailey

PhilFree

Eh, they already have an immobile spare at backup ... Danny Kannel.

Straight, No Chaser · 01-10-2005, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I'm not totally happy that he's not a "complete" QB... bottom line is that there isn't one available. There really wasn't one available when they signed Plummer. So, they've made the best of the situation - in my opinion...

All I know is that Indy again exposed the defense yesterday. I didn't like how Shanarat crafted the game plan in the first half or whether or not he stuck with it...

I would agree and certainly, IMO, it wasn't all on Jake yesterday. I was extremely puzzled as to Shanarat 's strategy... Lame, and as far from creative and genius as it gets. I figure after providing the Colts a scouting report in technicolor the week before that Shanarat would've brewed up some surprises, twists, some un-pre-dick-ta-bility for Indy. When the Dolts lead was 21 the Rat refused to go for it on 4th down and 1. "You mean to tell me that with the game slipping away and the opportunity to change momentum the Rat can't show some balls?" WEAK! They need some new coaches that have some activity in the gonads.

Look, Indy was going to get their points yesterday. Being able to watch the third quarter on TV, I was thinking Denver could actually make it interesting. Someone forgot to tell their defensive players they were trying to climb back in a football game. Shooting their mouths off all week was probably not a good idea but at least they could've tried to look like they wanted to make a big play defensively. Shanarat needs to let Jake be Jake or let Jake go. It's too bad the Donks didn't represent the West yesterday. Instead, thanks to the Donk coaches, they put in the tape from last year and pressed the "PLAY" button.

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Mile High Mania · 01-10-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser

I would agree and certainly, IMO, it wasn't all on Jake yesterday. I was extremely puzzled as to Shanarat 's strategy... Lame, and as far from creative and genius as it gets. I figure after providing the Colts a scouting report in technicolor the week before that Shanarat would've brewed up some surprises, twists, some un-pre-dick-ta-bility for Indy. When the Dolts lead was 21 the Rat refused to go for it on 4th down and 1. "You mean to tell me that with the game slipping away and the opportunity to change momentum the Rat can't show some balls?" WEAK! They need some new coaches that have some activity in the gonads.

Look, Indy was going to get their points yesterday. Being able to watch the third quarter on TV, I was thinking Denver could actually make it interesting. Someone forgot to tell their defensive players they were trying to climb back in a football game. Shooting their mouths off all week was probably not a good idea but at least they could've tried to look like they wanted to make a big play defensively. Shanarat needs to let Jake be Jake or let Jake go. It's too bad the Donks didn't represent the West yesterday. Instead, thanks to the Donk coaches, they put in the tape from last year and pressed the "PLAY" button.

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I would love to disagree... hopefully they will burn the 2003 and 2004 post season game plans and tapes.

Hammock Parties · 01-10-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser

Look, Indy was going to get their points yesterday. Being able to watch the third quarter on TV, I was thinking Denver could actually make it interesting. Someone forgot to tell their defensive players they were trying to climb back in a football game. Shooting their mouths off all week was probably not a good idea but at least they could've tried to look like they wanted to make a big play defensively. Shanarat needs to let Jake be Jake or let Jake go. It's too bad the Donks didn't represent the West yesterday. Instead, thanks to the Donk coaches, they put in the tape from last year and pressed the "PLAY" button.

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The offensive pace in the second half was disgusting. There was no sense of urgency at all.

Sure-Oz · 01-10-2005, 01:39 PM

They can keep plummer he is awesome!!

**cdcox** · 01-10-2005, 01:43 PM

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The offensive pace in the second half was disgusting. There was no sense of urgency at all.

When your house has burnt to the gound and you are sifting through the ashes to salvage anything of value, there is no need to make haste.

Hammock Parties · 01-10-2005, 01:46 PM

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When your house has burnt to the gound and you are sifting through the ashes to salvage anything of value, there is no need to make haste.

The Donks made it 35-17 at the end of 3 quarters. If they had been in the hurry up it could have been 35-24 or better.

I dunno, maybe Plummer's not capable of running a no-huddle offense.

The playcalling was stupid though. They ran the ball 12 times in the second half.

Hammock Parties · 01-10-2005, 07:18 PM

More shocking reveal from TJ:

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Sorry Mike... We need a more consistent quarterback. I agree, we were close. But without a quarterback who can be counted on from week to week, especially during the clutch stretch, we're going to get the same results.

You can't gameplan a ball control offense with a quarterback who can't control the ball. You can't expect clutch wins over the stretch with a quarterback who can't stand in the pocket and deliver. Jake has proven over the course of his career, including his two years in Denver, that he can't do either effectively.

Brian Griese was a fundamentally better quarterback than Jake. He just didn't have the heart and never say die disposition that Jake has, let alone mobility given the terrible offensive lines we had during that time. Our offensive line isn't the best pass protecting line in the league now, but it's good enough to get the job done. Lepsis was a monster out there against Freeny on Sunday. What a great job.

I hate to say it, but we need a new quarterback.

Hammock Parties · 01-10-2005, 08:14 PM

Boy, this well is far from dry:

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Originally Posted by Taco John

I hate to be the guy who defended Griese and abandoned Jake, but nobody can accuse me of not learning my lessons. And I love everything about Jake, except that he simply is not consistent in the pocket. There's just no two ways around that.

I defended Griese, because at the time, I thought we had an inferior offensive line, especially when it came to the passing game. Those guys couldn't create a pocket if they were working for Levi Strauss. Griese had the blind side protection of Gene Wilder in See No Evil.

Plummer can't claim that. We've gotten a pretty good group of offensive linemen, and credit Dennison for maintaining the good thing that Alex Gibbs installed here. But when your quarterback hesistates in the pocket as much as Plummer does, things like tipped balls are going to be the norm.

I just don't believe that we can put together a 13 win team with a quarterback who hesitates in the pocket.

But let me be clear. I'm not saying get rid of Plummer. I didn't want to get rid of Griese. I wanted to bring two quarterbacks in and invest in competition. I wanted to take two guys with shaken confidence and put them up against eachother to compete and learn from eachother.

I am saying, I have my doubts. Plummer didn't develop this year like anyone imagined he would. He looked like Arizona Jake, not like Denver Jake of last year. Typically, I'm a "give him three years" kind of guy, but his contract called for two.

I have no doubt that Jake can make big plays. He's one of the most exciting quarterbacks to watch... for both teams. Turning the ball over is not a recipe for post-season success.

Valiant · 01-10-2005, 08:21 PM

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Jake has got plenty of heart. He just can't pass from the pocket very well. He doesn't have pocket skills to hide his actions when he's standing in there. You know what Jake is going to do when he's in the pocket, because he's telegraphing it. From staring down routes, to hesitating before passes, Jake gives defenders the opportunity to react to what he's doing before he does it.

The bottom line is, do you, or don't you believe that Jake can win a Superbowl with the Broncos. It's my unfortunate displeasure to say that I don't. I love everything about Jake except the fact that he can't pass from the pocket, and we are in a passing league right now. We need a more complete quarterback.
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odd... he told us jake was the perfect QB for their team???

OldTownChief · 01-10-2005, 08:26 PM

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Jake has got plenty of heart. He just can't pass from the pocket very well. He doesn't have pocket skills to hide his actions when he's standing in there. You know what Jake is going to do when he's in the pocket, because he's telegraphing it. From staring down routes, to hesitating before passes, Jake gives defenders the opportunity to react to what he's doing before he does it.

The bottom line is, do you, or don't you believe that Jake can win a Superbowl with the Broncos. It's my unfortunate displeasure to say that I don't. I love everything about Jake except the fact that he can't pass from the pocket, and we are in a passing league right now. We need a more complete quarterback.
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odd... he told us jake was the perfect QB for their team???

Yep, exactly what he'll say after the Donks first win with Plummit next season. He's so predictable it's funny. The people at the Mane have to see through this twit but just don't call him out.

Hammock Parties · 01-10-2005, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John
Jake has got plenty of heart. He just can't pass from the pocket very well. He doesn't have pocket skills to hide his actions when he's standing in there. You know what Jake is going to do when he's in the pocket, because he's telegraphing it. From staring down routes, to hesitating before passes, Jake gives defenders the opportunity to react to what he's doing before he does it.

The bottom line is, do you, or don't you believe that Jake can win a Superbowl with the Broncos. It's my unfortunate displeasure to say that I don't. I love everything about Jake except the fact that he can't pass from the pocket, and we are in a passing league right now. We need a more complete quarterback.
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odd... he told us jake was the perfect QB for their team???

It took a late season meltdown and a stagnant first half of a playoff game to convince him.

And he's right...Denver's D was strung out to dry by the Donk O in the first half...mostly because of poor third down play by Plummer.

No one wants a QB that only plays well when you're down by 32 points.