Devil's advocate-Chiefs shouldn't have signed Cassel & should've waited & signed Vick

[kcbubb]

The Chiefs offense in the last 7 games of the year improved greatly and was performing in the top half the league using Gailey's modified spread offense. This offense used a running QB who threw primarily short, quick passes and the QB lead the league in rushing for his position.

This offense would have been perfect for Michael Vick, who led the league in QB rushing several times. Vick has never been a great passer or decision maker, but Gailey's offense which relied on easy decision making, mostly short passes and the QB running the ball would have fit Vick perfectly. And this offense is more suited to the Chiefs current offensive line which has and will struggle. The Chiefs could have allowed Thigpen and Vick to compete but obviously Thigpen would have the job for at least the first 6 games.

This would have also allowed the Chiefs to use their draft differently to fill many gaping holes and obvious lack of depth with the offensive line, linebacker, a pass rusher, TE and wide receiver.

The Chiefs could have stuck with the 4-3 and tried to overhaul their defense with Curry, Everette Brown or Ray Malaugua (Brown & Malaugua were both available in the 2nd round), or Michael Johnson (available in the 3rd round).

Or they could have mixed that in with trying to revamp their offensive line with the many players that were available or with a TE like Jared Cook who was available in the 3rd round who would have complimented our big TE, Cottam.

Instead we are stuck with watching a young QB play behind a weak offensive line and throw to receivers that drop many passes or can't stay healthy with out the best pass catching option from last year. And the only significant improvement to one of the worst defenses in the league was to the defensive line and a couple of old linebackers.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

could you imagine vick and thigpen in at the same time

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

could you imagine vick and thigpen in at the same time

The suckage would be off the charts.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Then your whole opening post is reeruned.

wow. reading comprehension must be difficult. I said they shouldn't have done this and should have done this.

I know that in reality they will do none of it. I am looking at a hypothetical situation. lighten up a little.

Here's the deal. Almost everyone thinks Vick could be a great wild cat QB. I think he could have been great in the spread that Gailey ran last year. He would have been ideal for it. They patterned the offense around Thigpen's strengths and made it work with this weaknesses. Those strengths and weaknesses line up pretty close with Vicks. But Vick probably has more potential.

I also think that chiefs fan quickly forget how good the defense was in 2007. The offense SUCKED and the chiefs defense was still almost in the top 10. Look it up. Look at the offensive stats and defensive stats.

The chiefs should have tried to get their defense back to the 2007 form and then build on that. Instead they just blew the whole thing up and now the team is years away.

I think if the chiefs would have drafted a few defensive players that fit the 4-3 and a few o-lineman and picked up Vick, and kept the offense and defense the same, that the Chiefs would be much closer to being in the playoffs than they are now.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

You can't take a QB like Vick and make him into a west coast QB. That's not his strength. It won't work.

You let him throw short passes and run. He's better at that than anyone. Vick is probably the best runner of any QB in history.

Really, no one knows how it would have worked out. No one in the NFL has run an offense like Gailey's last year in the NFL. Vick definitely has not had and probably never will have the opportunity to run an offense like that.

It sure would have been fun to watch.

Dude, that's exactly what is the WCO. Short passes mixed in with a few medium and long passes. But a lot of short passes. Spreading the ball around to all skill positions, especially TEs and RBs/FBs (Kimble Anders ring a bell?). And as I recall, Steve Young, Steve Bono, and even Joe Montana were pretty good scramblers. All in the WCO.

[Hammock Parties]

If Cassel had never played a down of NFL football I would still take him over Vick.

[Halfcan]

any thread that has dog killer a Chief- FAILS!!!

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

wow. reading comprehension must be difficult. I said they shouldn't have done this and should have done this.

I know that in reality they will do none of it. I am looking at a hypothetical situation. lighten up a little.

Here's the deal. Almost everyone thinks Vick could be a great wild cat QB. I think he could have been great in the spread that Gailey ran last year. He would have been ideal for it. They patterned the offense around Thigpen's strengths and made it work with this weaknesses. Those strengths and weaknesses line up pretty close with Vicks. But Vick probably has more potential.

I also think that chiefs fan quickly forget how good the defense was in 2007. The offense SUCKED and the chiefs defense was still almost in the top 10. Look it up. Look at the offensive stats and defensive stats.

The chiefs should have tried to get their defense back to the 2007 form and then build on that. Instead they just blew the whole thing up and now the team is years away.

I think if the chiefs would have drafted a few defensive players that fit the 4-3 and a few o-lineman and picked up Vick, and kept the offense and defense the same, that the Chiefs would be much closer to being in the playoffs than they are now.

They were ranked #13 in total yards and #14 in scoring defense. You say almost top 10. I say almost middle of the pack.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

wow. reading comprehension must be difficult.

No. No it is not.

I know that in reality they will do none of it. I am looking at a hypothetical situation. lighten up a little.

Okee day then.

Here's the deal. Almost everyone thinks Vick could be a great wild cat QB.

Who cares? That is the question. Can the Chiefs quit playing college ball now, and go back to being a Professional Team again?

I also think that chiefs fan quickly forget how good the defense was in 2007.

The choices are,

a) I most certainly forgot and with good reason. Or,

b) Don't you mean 1997? Cause that's the last year this team had a defense.

The chiefs should have tried to get their defense back to the 2007 form and then build on that. Instead they just blew the whole thing up and now the team is years away.

First, No.

Second, "blowing it up" got rid of Carl and Herm. HOORAY for Blowing It Up!

I think if the chiefs would have drafted a few defensive players that fit the 4-3 and a few o-lineman and picked up Vick, and kept the offense and defense the same, that the Chiefs would be much closer to being in the playoffs than they are now.

The Great Haoli does not "do" 4-3. Pioli knows how to draft for 3-4 Defense( God we hope ), and Haley prefers the scheme as well; you're promulgating a hypothetical fantasy that had no chance in Hell of ever happening. And as for Vick; we've already got one of those and I can't stand the little son of a bitch. Why the **** would I want a 2nd?

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

could you imagine vick and thigpen in at the same time

I can. The universe is incapable of containing that amount of confusion in one place at one time.

Somewhere between fake handoff number three - reverse pump fake pass to the right and fake handoff number four, an immense, catastrophic black hole would suddenly emerge out of nowhere sucking all existing matter, energy, space, and time into the 11th dimension leaving behind a singularity of infinite and utter nothingness.

That's what would happen.

FAX

[kstater]

Putting aside the dumbass idea. You realize Vick has been sitting on his ass in prison for the last 2 years? Somehow I don't think he'll be quite the same player he once was. And he wasn't that great to begin with.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by FAX

I can. The universe is incapable of containing that amount of confusion in one place at one time.

Somewhere between fake handoff number three - reverse pump fake pass to the right and fake handoff number four, an immense, catastrophic black hole would suddenly emerge out of nowhere sucking all existing matter, energy, space, and time into the 11th dimension leaving behind a singularity of infinite and utter nothingness.

That's what would happen.

FAX

and shortly thereafter the chiefs would have a shot at winning the superbowl

[KCChiefsMan]

Okay guys. I just figured out our plan to win the Superbowl THIS year

Sign Mike Vick, start him
Sign Plaxico Burress, start him
Sign Pacman Jones, start him
Sign Jeff George to compete with Vick and Cassel
Sign Matt Jones for the slot

NOBODY could stop us! NOBODY

DO IT, YAY

[milkman]

I can not imagine the number of dead brain cells that this idea requires.

Every time I think I've seen the stupidest possible idea imaginable, someone comes along and tops it.

Congratulations bubb, you are the new dumbest ****er on the planet.

JFC.

[luv]

Ummm. I know jack about football, and this seem like a stupid idea to even me.

[JOhn]

Originally Posted by milkman

I can not imagine the number of dead brain cells that this idea requires.

Every time I think I've seen the stupidest possible idea imaginable, someone comes along and tops it.

Congratulations bubb, you are the new dumbest ****er on the planet.

JFC.

YES!!!!!!

Someone took my crown