What is so special about Clausen?

[Mr. Laz]

ok ... so alot of us are looking at Clausen. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Clausen but imo should we be looking at a special guy.

let's face it, the drafturbators just want a big named QB and they don't really give a shit whether the guy is really any good. They have lost their dam minds.

But ... what about the rest of us with a little bit of rationality left in our heads.

Is there anything Elite about Jimmy Clausen? Is he really worth the #5 pick?

Bradford - Elite Accuracy, superior football I.Q., NFL Size
Tebow - elite character, great athletic skills,great motivation
Clausen - ??
McCoy - ??


so let's hear it ... what is ELITE about Jimmy Clausen?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Why is that bad for me to admit I don't know? None of us know nearly as much information on these players as scouts know. Anyone who claims they're an expert unless they actually sit and watch endless game film and individually interview these guys and talk to coaches/friends of the player and see all the psychological testing, is a bullshitter. That doesn't mean we're not allowed to hold opinions.

Mecca has lots of OPINIONS. I enjoy reading them, because even though he doesn't have the info scouts have, I think he generally has interesting insights.

You're making an argument of convenience because you don't like me. My saying I like Clausen better than Sanchez is an opinion. I don't see you making a big deal of the hundreds of OPINIONS that fly on this board every day.

Because, just like in this instance, you type 500 words instead of 20. You try to come across like someone in the know (and probably fool a ton of stupid ****ing rubes on this site) instead of saying in reality, you don't know jackshit.

THAT'S why.

Underneath your verbose posts is a true fan.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Because, just like in this instance, you type 500 words instead of 20. You try to come across like someone in the know (and probably fool a ton of stupid ****ing rubes on this site) instead of saying in reality, you don't know jackshit.

THAT'S why.

Underneath your verbose posts is a true fan.

I have opinions. Just like everyone on this board. And I'm hardheaded and have strong opinions. But I also am not afraid to admit when I lay down a fact and I'm proven wrong on a fact. There are plenty of people who will back me up on that, even ones who frequently disagree with me.

The issue is you're cherry-picking here because you don't like me. Grilling people for having a strong opinion? That's 99% of this board.

[RustShack]

Passing on Sanchez is not a bad thing, ONLY IF we draft Clausen.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If we're going to call Bradford's accuracy "elite," it's absolutely appropriate to make the same claim about Clausen's.

I don't think so. Bradford makes all the throws on the money. He seems to thread the needle no matter how far down the field he's throwing it. Seems to always hit his receivers in stride. The thing that amazes me when I watch him is that he makes it look easy. Like its effortless.

On the other hand, when watching Clausen throw it looks like he's got to wind up to throw it. Like he's got to put his whole body into it. It may not ultimately be a big deal but it concerns me. I agree that his has decent accuracy but nowhere near Bradfords level, IMHO.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Passing on Sanchez is not a bad thing, ONLY IF we draft Clausen.

More stupidity from Rustshack....

The one has nothing to do with the other....If Sanchez turns out to be awesome, and Clausen turns out to be average or less, then your statement is false.

We could pass on Clausen and end up with a top 10 draft pick next year EASILY and get a guy who is better than Clausen or Sanchez.

There are so many ways that your statement is wrong, it isn't even funny.

We are not drafting Clausen with the #5 pick, so you better buy a few boxes of kleen-ex.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

More stupidity from Rustshack....

The one has nothing to do with the other....If Sanchez turns out to be awesome, and Clausen turns out to be average or less, then your statement is false.

We could pass on Clausen and end up with a top 10 draft pick next year EASILY and get a guy who is better than Clausen or Sanchez.

There are so many ways that your statement is wrong, it isn't even funny.

We are not drafting Clausen with the #5 pick, so you better buy a few boxes of kleen-ex.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by penchief

I don't think so. Bradford makes all the throws on the money. He seems to thread the needle no matter how far down the field he's throwing it. Seems to always hit his receivers in stride. The thing that amazes me when I watch him is that he makes it look easy. Like its effortless.

On the other hand, when watching Clausen throw it looks like he's got to wind up to throw it. Like he's got to put his whole body into it. It may not ultimately be a big deal but it concerns me. I agree that his has decent accuracy but nowhere near Bradfords level, IMHO.

While we can certainly agree to disagree, the accuracy of these two players is hard to compare because Bradford is not consistently throwing into tight windows. And this is a major reason why so many of his throws seem "effortless."

Can he make NFL throws? Yeah, I think he can, but his learning curve is going to be extremely steep for a plethora of different reasons. And there's no guarantee that he'll transition.

[RustShack]

Whats even more sad, is next year you will be saying the same exact thing about those QB's. But it doesn't matter, because after we draft Clausen we won't have to listen to that stupid argument every single year anymore.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I have opinions. Just like everyone on this board. And I'm hardheaded and have strong opinions. But I also am not afraid to admit when I lay down a fact and I'm proven wrong on a fact. There are plenty of people who will back me up on that, even ones who frequently disagree with me.

The issue is you're cherry-picking here because you don't like me. Grilling people for having a strong opinion? That's 99% of this board.

It's not that I "dislike you", it's just that you go 100x further than everyone else in forum to prove that you know what you're talking about with your verbosity, when in reality, it's ALL opinion.

That's what I don't like.

You try to back up your claims and Pioli ballwashing with way too many paragraphs, giving the illusion that what you're saying has some worth when in reality, it's worth about as much as Roy III.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Whats even more sad, is next year you will be saying the same exact thing about those QB's. But it doesn't matter, because after we draft Clausen we won't have to listen to that stupid argument every single year anymore.

I wouldn't. I have said before and I will say it again....I am willing to give Cassel 8 more games. If he blows it, we will be looking at a top 10 draft pick next year. I would gladly support using a top 10 pick next season of Cassel fails again this season.

As to the second part of your statement...If we do end up with Clausen somehow (it won't be with the 5th overall pick), I will hope you are correct and that he develops into the QBOF. I just don't see it happening. I don't think it is the right direction and I don't think the FO does either.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I wouldn't. I have said before and I will say it again....I am willing to give Cassel 8 more games. If he blows it, we will be looking at a top 10 draft pick next year. I would gladly support using a top 10 pick next season of Cassel fails again this season.

As to the second part of your statement...If we do end up with Clausen somehow (it won't be with the 5th overall pick), I will hope you are correct and that he develops into the QBOF. I just don't see it happening. I don't think it is the right direction and I don't think the FO does either.

What do you think Cassel will be able to do in 8 games this year that he wasn't able to do in 15 last year?

[penchief]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Clausen does everything Bradford does, but does it from a pro-style offense (which is more difficult) and without an OL littered with nfl players (which is more difficult) and with a toe that was injured all season (which is more difficult) and with no defense to bail him out (which is more difficult) and oh yeah was personally groomed by a superbowl winning offensive coordinator (which is a huge plus) and hasn't had his shoulder blown out twice (another huge plus)....


but, other than that, he sucks and is too risky and we should pass and wait another 25 years for a QB, a superbowl, and a magical candy shitting pony to appear....

Statistically you may be right. But when you watch the manner in which they both get it done there is a noticable difference. I'm not taking anything away from Clausen because he apparently got the job done in college. But Bradford displays all the things you want in a franchise quarterback. All of them. Inculding poise, intelligence, and leadership.

At this point in time I'm just not sold on Clausen being worth the fifth overall pick, even as a quarterback. I'm sure he'll give it a good go but I'm not sold that he's a franchise quarterback. IMHO, Bradford fits that bill way before Clausen does.

Also, playing well in a pro-style offense doesn't guarantee anything. Plenty of touted college quarterbacks have had that advantage and failed in the NFL. One such quarterback played at Notre Dame under Charlie Weiss in a pro-style offense. A lot of people in Cleveland and Miami thought Brady Quinn should have been a top ten pick, too. Just like many here feel that way about Clausen.

I don't think we should take a quarterback at five unless he's worth the fifth overall pick. And I'm not sold on the idea that Clausen is. Whereas, I'd take Bradford at five in a heartbeat.

[RustShack]

There is no possible way we will be in a position to take a QB half of what Clausen would be to us next year. So if you pass on it now, you pass on it forever. Not all QB's fit all systems, people just for some reason can't seem to grasp that concept. Yeah theres a chance it happens, but drafting Clausen would be the smallest risk of any QB in history. Now, being drafted to another team like Buffalo would be a different story since they don't run the same system. So he would be just as risky for most other teams as any other QB would be for us.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by penchief

Statistically you may be right. But when you watch the manner in which they both get it done there is a noticable difference. I'm not taking anything away from Clausen because he apparently got the job done in college. But Bradford displays all the things you want in a franchise quarterback. All of them. Inculding poise, intelligence, and leadership.

At this point in time I'm just not sold on Clausen being worth the fifth overall pick, even as a quarterback. I'm sure he'll give it a good go but I'm not sold that he's a franchise quarterback. IMHO, Bradford fits that bill way before Clausen does.

Also, playing well in a pro-style offense doesn't guarantee anything. Plenty of touted college quarterbacks have had that advantage and failed in the NFL. One such quarterback played at Notre Dame under Charlie Weiss in a pro-style offense. A lot of people in Cleveland and Miami thought Brady Quinn should have been a top ten pick, too. Just like many here feel that way about Clausen.

I don't think we should take a quarterback at five unless he's worth the fifth overall pick. And I'm not sold on the idea that Clausen is. Whereas, I'd take Bradford at five in a heartbeat.

Really?

You like him as a prospect. Fine. But let's not be intellectually dishonest with all of the hyperbole.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

While we can certainly agree to disagree, the accuracy of these two players is hard to compare because Bradford is not consistently throwing into tight windows. And this is a major reason why so many of his throws seem "effortless."

Can he make NFL throws? Yeah, I think he can, but his learning curve is going to be extremely steep for a plethora of different reasons. And there's no guarantee that he'll transition.

I'll tell you what. What I've seen of him, when he does throw into tight windows he threads the needle perfectly. The first time I really paid attention to him was the National Championship game against Florida. And I came away from that game more impressed with the way he was threading the neadle twenty and thirty yards down field into tight coverage than anything else about that game.