Peter King says Chiefs offering 4th rounder for Surtain - Page 5

Brock · 03-28-2005, 10:51 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ngs/index.html

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2. Saban loves draft picks: He wants more of them. He is in mourning over the fact the Dolphins don't have their second-round selection this year (they dealt it for A.J. Feeley last year), and I see Saban holding out for a second- or a third-round pick for cornerback Patrick Surtain. Right now, the best offer out there for Surtain is Kansas City's fourth-round pick.

htismaqe · 03-28-2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I don't know, has he gave anyone over $10 million dollars? I don't think he has. He gave Priest 10 and he was the highest one.

I have heard CP on many occassions say he won't sign a FA for more money than Priest, Tony or Trent.

The Chiefs gave up a 2nd-round pick to get McGlockton in 1998. He got a 5-year deal worth almost $30M and it included a $7.5M signing bonus.

You have to take into account NFL salary inflation. McGlockton's deal was HUGE in 1998. It's the equivalent of giving Surtain $15M.

**dirk digler** · 03-28-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

The Chiefs gave up a 2nd-round pick to get McGlockton in 1998. He got a 5-year deal worth almost $30M and it included a $7.5M signing bonus.

You have to take into account NFL salary inflation. McGlockton's deal was HUGE in 1998. It's the equivalent of giving Surtain $15M.

Thanks.

Mr. Laz · 03-28-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

You stated "enter the bad trade for welbourn"

I was wrong in assuming that you really meant he was a good player and your glad we got him, but it was just unfortunate the he was a victim of a bad trade.

If your not a politician, you should think about becoming one...... lighten up Francis.

it WAS a bad trade

we traded a 3rd and 5th for a guard, with a bad knee, that we were going to convert to tackle.

now we are talking about trading a 4th for a pro bowl cornerback

now which is the glaringly bad trade?

HipHopper4Life · 03-28-2005, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kris Kringle

I like it. I've been saying to offer a 4th all along. The Dolphins are bluffing. They are going to have to release Surtain with no compensation to get some salary cap release. They are trying to get a draft pick. If we're patient we can get him for a low draft pick or pick him up when he's released.

Total misconception. Surtain is already factored into their cap, that's not a problem. Miami's difficulty in getting him signed to a long term extention and the development of Will Poole are the primary reasons Surtain is who they're trying to move to recoup the 2nd round pick they traded away.

If they don't get what they want, I think Miami holds onto him another year since they have the option of franchising him and trading him next year. That's also why I think a pick in next years draft won't fly.

The only sense of urgency in our favor is Saban's desire to have a 2nd round pick in this draft. If Miami manages to trade back from their 2nd overall pick, with say Tampa or the Titans both of whom supposedly covet Mike Williams, then we'd lose that leverage as well if we're waiting on a draft day trade.

We have more to lose than Miami if a deal doesn't get done, which is something I hope Carl and Vermeil keep in mind. We jack around and mess up with Surtain and the only option left is hoping that Ty Law is healthy enough to play and that the Postons keel over in anticipation of putting a deal together while having us over a barrell.

**the Talking Can** · 03-28-2005, 12:06 PM

um, if the Chiefs were concerned about giving up draft picks for a pro bowl CB then they could have made an effort to sign one of the several young, talented, and unrestricted FA CBs that were available....crying about picks now is just typical Chiefs nonsense....create the situation you are in and then pretend your hands are tied...

anyways, this is- and has always been- about $$$...the Chiefs won't pay the $12 mill bonus that a top CB earns on the market...they still think they can get a CB on the cheap like they did Bell...none of this should surprise anyone

Mr. Laz · 03-28-2005, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

uhm if the Chiefs were concerned about giving up draft picks for a pro bowl cB then they could have made an effort to sign on of the several young, talented, and unrestricted FA CBs that were available....crying about picks now is just typical Chiefs nonsense....create the situation you are in and then pretend you're hands are tied

ewwww ... what you said!!!

stevie ray is going to come hunting for you now

don't you know that we didn't bring those young FA cornerbacks in because they didn't want to play for kansas city?

**dirk digler** · 03-28-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

anyways, this is- and has always been- about $$$...the Chiefs won't pay the $12 mill bonus that a top CB earns on the market...they still think they can get a CB on the cheap like they did Bell...none of this should surprise anyone

Exactly.

Gaz · 03-28-2005, 12:11 PM

A 4th makes me feel better about the idea. It will still be a HUGE contract and I still doubt that CBs are worth that kind of cash in today’s NFL. But a 4th Vs a 2nd is a bit easier to stomach.

xoxo~
Gaz
Learning to live with it.

keg in kc · 03-28-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Gaz
Learning to live with it.

Baaaaaa.

C'mon Gaz, fight the "man". Don't give in.

bricks · 03-28-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

it WAS a bad trade

we traded a 3rd and 5th for a guard, with a bad knee, that we were going to convert to tackle.

now we are talking about trading a 4th for a pro bowl cornerback

now which is the glaringly bad trade?

I see what your saying Laz, I agree with you.

**dirk digler** · 03-28-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

A 4th makes me feel better about the idea. It will still be a HUGE contract and I still doubt that CBs are worth that kind of cash in today’s NFL. But a 4th Vs a 2nd is a bit easier to stomach.

xoxo~
Gaz
Learning to live with it.

Do you think that CP will fork out that much cash?

C-Mac · 03-28-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

it WAS a bad trade
we traded a 3rd and 5th for a guard, with a bad knee, that we were going to convert to tackle.

now we are talking about trading a 4th for a pro bowl cornerback

now which is the glaringly bad trade?

Well since one is fact and the other fantasy, I will reserve my comment till it applies.

Gaz · 03-28-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

...C'mon Gaz, fight the "man". Don't give in.

Screw the NFL, their PI rules and the striped goons that enforce it.

Champ Bailey was a fluke.

Lead me off the cliff, sir. I am ready to rock and roll.

xoxo~
Gaz
Wooly lemming.

Mr. Laz · 03-28-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Do you think that CP will fork out that much cash?

THIS is the 14 million dollar question

IMO if we don't make the trade for surtain it will just be an excuse because we didn't want to do the new contract.

bricks · 03-28-2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Do you think that CP will fork out that much cash?

Nope. I don't think they will. My gut feeling says, they'll offer him close to what he wants. Let's say he wants 15 million dollar signing bonus, the Chiefs will offer 13.5 million. Then, some unname team will come out of nowhere, and place a higher bid, draft pick. And, Surtain will go somewhere else. I hope I'm soooo wrong.

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