The Chiefs shouldn't select a QB in the 1st round

[kcbubb]

The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell.

The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent.

If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It just goes to show that people will make up any argument they want to make their point work.

And so, when I make a comment that GMs in the top 10 are usually stupid and reeruned because they rely exclusively on the draft chart, I hear people say that "they are NFL GMs, you are not. Therefore, not all GMs are stupid." But when I make the comment that a bunch of GMs passed up on a franchise QB, of course, it's because those GMS are stupid and since have been fired.

It's amazing to me that nobody here concedes taht maybe, JUST MAYBE, Brady Quinn fell in the draft because he wasn't evaluated nearly as high as everyone claimed he should have been taken. Just like Derrick Johnson wasn't as good as he was hyped up to be on some boards. Just like guys every year who get rated in the top 10 and then fall out of the first round. It happens every year.

Folks, I like Mark Sanchez, but he's not a slam dunk. And I promise you that there will be a lot of people outside of Kansas City that will say the same thing. And the argument you will hear most is that he went into the NFL one year too soon.

Make up any argument...

You mean like saying the draft chart is dumb?

[Mecca]

Here read..

http://www.draftcountdown.com/blog/W...Stuff-Blog.php

• Of all the underclassmen who came out this year Mark Sanchez may have been the biggest surprise. I just assumed that with only one year of starting experience and Pete Carroll's uncanny ability to keep top prospects in school Sanchez would consider the pros but ultimately be playing for the Trojans in 2009. However, now that Sanchez is officially a part of this draft it's time to determine where he will come off the board.

Right now there is a wide range of opinions, with one camp that maintains he will be a Top 3 overall pick and another that thinks he may drop into the late teens or early twenties. First of all let's make one thing clear: A worst-case scenario for Sanchez is #22 to Minnesota, and that is assuming he somehow gets past a half dozen other quarterback needy teams such as the Jets, the Bears, the Buccaneers and the Lions. A best-case scenario would probably be #3 overall to Kansas City and I really have a hard time envisioning him getting past San Francisco at #10. New Head Coach Mike Singletary hasn't exactly given incumbent Shaun Hill a ringing endorsement and after missing out on a chance to draft Matt Leinart with the #1 overall pick in 2005 this could be their opportunity to bring in the local kid to be the face of the franchise. Granted there are some who feel Sanchez could give Matthew Stafford a run for his money and put himself in contention to be the #1 overall pick but personally I don't buy that. The case can be made that Sanchez has as much long-term upside as Stafford but at this point I’d be hard-pressed to give him an edge over Stafford in any single category. With that said once Stafford comes off the board Sanchez is going to become a very hot commodity and don't be surprised if some of the teams I mentioned above attempt to trade up for him. With this being such a weak crop of quarterbacks and next year not looking much better Sanchez might represent the last chance for teams to get a premier young, dare I say ... franchise, signal caller that they can build around.

There is no question that Sanchez would have benefited from another year in college but it’s hard to fault the kid for wanting to strike while the iron is hot. After an outstanding performance in the Rose Bowl Sanchez left scouts with a very favorable final impression and with Sam Bradford opting to go back to school there was an opening for him to slide right in as the #2 quarterback prospect in this draft. It will be very interesting to see just how high Sanchez goes in round one but I have a good feeling it will be a lot closer to #3 than #22.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Make up any argument...

You mean like saying the draft chart is dumb?

I think we have found this year's findthedr

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I think we have found this year's findthedr

They'd fit in great over at the coalition him and frankie and como, everyone over there wants to draft Crabtree and thinks Tyler Thigpen is the franchise QB...

It's like a reerun flocking point.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Here read..

http://www.draftcountdown.com/blog/W...Stuff-Blog.php

• Of all the underclassmen who came out this year .... 22.

Do you agree with Wright that Freeman is the 25th best player in the draft and is a first round QB?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Do you agree with Wright that Freeman is the 25th best player in the draft and is a first round QB?

No not personally but Freeman is a scouts dream guy so he'll be high...and this idea that he'll last to the 2nd round is a myth. So many teams need QB's the idea that he's going to get past teams like the Jets and Vikings is laughable.

[The Franchise]

I could see the Vikings taking him.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

I could see the Vikings taking him.

And then they'll have the trifecta: Two dumb quarterbacks to go along with their stupid head coach.

[ChiefRon]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Here read..

http://www.draftcountdown.com/blog/W...Stuff-Blog.php

• Of all the underclassmen who came out this year Mark Sanchez may have been the biggest surprise. I just assumed that with only one year of starting experience and Pete Carroll's uncanny ability to keep top prospects in school Sanchez would consider the pros but ultimately be playing for the Trojans in 2009. However, now that Sanchez is officially a part of this draft it's time to determine where he will come off the board.

Right now there is a wide range of opinions, with one camp that maintains he will be a Top 3 overall pick and another that thinks he may drop into the late teens or early twenties. First of all let's make one thing clear: A worst-case scenario for Sanchez is #22 to Minnesota, and that is assuming he somehow gets past a half dozen other quarterback needy teams such as the Jets, the Bears, the Buccaneers and the Lions. A best-case scenario would probably be #3 overall to Kansas City and I really have a hard time envisioning him getting past San Francisco at #10. New Head Coach Mike Singletary hasn't exactly given incumbent Shaun Hill a ringing endorsement and after missing out on a chance to draft Matt Leinart with the #1 overall pick in 2005 this could be their opportunity to bring in the local kid to be the face of the franchise. Granted there are some who feel Sanchez could give Matthew Stafford a run for his money and put himself in contention to be the #1 overall pick but personally I don't buy that. The case can be made that Sanchez has as much long-term upside as Stafford but at this point I’d be hard-pressed to give him an edge over Stafford in any single category. With that said once Stafford comes off the board Sanchez is going to become a very hot commodity and don't be surprised if some of the teams I mentioned above attempt to trade up for him. With this being such a weak crop of quarterbacks and next year not looking much better Sanchez might represent the last chance for teams to get a premier young, dare I say ... franchise, signal caller that they can build around.

There is no question that Sanchez would have benefited from another year in college but it’s hard to fault the kid for wanting to strike while the iron is hot. After an outstanding performance in the Rose Bowl Sanchez left scouts with a very favorable final impression and with Sam Bradford opting to go back to school there was an opening for him to slide right in as the #2 quarterback prospect in this draft. It will be very interesting to see just how high Sanchez goes in round one but I have a good feeling it will be a lot closer to #3 than #22.

Something else that I've heard some folks say that excites me more about this prospect than anything quoted above is the fact of his work ethic and passion for the game. He wants to be the best. He eats, sleeps, and breathes football.

And Pete Carroll said he might end up being better than Carson Palmer.

Hey, that's enough for me, I actually hope he falls to us @ #3. Don't let the Rams go crazy on us and trade out of the spot...

[Crush]

The reason Quinn fell to #22 was the fact that Cam Cameron pulled out the WTF? Card and drafted Ted Ginn at #9. After that, the Dolphins went 1-15 and Cameron was thrown out on his ass.

Stafford or Sanchez will do as we watch Pioli actually build a franchise, instead of a Carl Peterson-approved "9-7 cocktease." Then the ghost of Todd Blackledge's career can finally be put to rest. Damn it Steadman!!!

[Danman]

If Sanchez is Pioli's #1 guy, don't be surprised if KC trades up to get him, not down. I think with Pioli you'll never know what he's thinking till you see it played out. In the same thought, if Curry or Rey Rey is his #1 - he'll probably try and trade down to 5-10.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So? Big ****ing deal?

How in your RIGHT MIND could you advocate passing on him because he's not a "slam dunk"? That's just plain stupid.

The ONLY "slam dunk" IMO that EVER entered the draft was Peyton Manning.

And where was he drafted again?

Oh yeah. First overall.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

I've said many times that you only pick Sanchez if you believe he is without a doubt a top 5 pick. And right now, there is no guarantee that he will grade that highly. So when I say he's not a slam dunk, I'm saying that as of right now, there is no guarantee that he will grade high enough to be a top 5 pick.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Most of these guys would rather have Mark Sanchez than Matt Cassel and 5 picks. They aren't being rational. Matt Cassel and the Patriots had the 5th ranked offense last year. With that many picks, you could build an offense similar to the Pats. It's all about the QB, less about the team.

I'd love to have 5 picks too, but that's not going to happen. Nobody's going to give up that much to move to our spot.

[Sam Hall]

let it go, people

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Make up any argument...

You mean like saying the draft chart is dumb?

I don't understand what's so complicated about this and why I get so much shit for this. A house that was selling for $250,000 three years ago, would you pay $250,000 for that house today? Of course you wouldn't--that house is probably worth about $150,000-$200,000 today. If that's the way I negotiate, I have a great house for you to buy--I would love to sell it to you.

And yet, NFL GMs have standardized the price that they believe every pick is worth from year to year, even though some draft classes are graded as better than others. And so, Calvin Johnson carries the same trade value as Chris Long. I don't understand why this is so difficult to comprehend. You negotiate trade value based on the value of the players left on the board and that value should be different from year to year. And if you are not hot and heavy over anyone you have left, then you have to lower your trade value a bit to trade out of the pick.

When I say the trade chart is dumb, I am saying that it should be used as a guide, but most teams use it as a bible and will not accept any trade unless it strictly matches the chart. And for the record, I have said many times that the trade chart isn't horribly wrong, but in the top 3, the picks are grossly overvalued. That is a stance that most of you agree with, and yet are fighting me tooth and nail over. I'm not saying you hose yourself, but you have to be willing to show teams that you're willing to negotiate, even if that means you don't get full value from the draft chart. Teams are way too reluctant to do that and often times reluctantly reach for a player (i.e. Rams and Chris Long) or take a player they're not excited about (i.e. Alex Smith and the 49ers).