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View Poll Results: Should the Chiefs Hire A GM or HC first?
Hire a GM first 70 77.78%
Hire a Head Coach first 13 14.44%
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:30 AM   #1
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Well, that makes him a retread to CP.

Completely unacceptable...
To me, "retread" is somebody who has coached here before.

Marty is a "retread". Cowher is a "retread".

Andy Reid is not a retread. I'm not sure I like him as a HC (seems to have Martz-esque troubles with a balanced offense at times, moving an offensive line coach to DC seems monumentally stupid) but he fits the bill - 2nd job, no ring.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:37 AM   #2
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To me, "retread" is somebody who has coached here before.

Marty is a "retread". Cowher is a "retread".

Andy Reid is not a retread. I'm not sure I like him as a HC (seems to have Martz-esque troubles with a balanced offense at times, moving an offensive line coach to DC seems monumentally stupid) but he fits the bill - 2nd job, no ring.
To me a retread is a guy who moves from place to place never really accomplishing $3it.

Parcells was not a retread. He won everywhere he went.

Cowher = 1 HC job.
Reid = 1 HC job.
Gruden = built one team that went to an AFCC game and the SB the next year. Took a team his first year to the SB and DESTROYED his old team.

The idea that a team doesn't need a motivator as HC is the dumbest thing I keep hearing on here. I don't care where you work a positive mindset combined with competent execution of your goals is why any business works...
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:40 AM   #3
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To me a retread is a guy who moves from place to place never really accomplishing $3it.

Parcells was not a retread. He won everywhere he went.

Cowher = 1 HC job.
Reid = 1 HC job.
Gruden = built one team that went to an AFCC game and the SB the next year. Took a team his first year to the SB and DESTROYED his old team.

The idea that a team doesn't need a motivator as HC is the dumbest thing I keep hearing on here. I don't care where you work a positive mindset combined with competent execution of your goals is why any business works...
The difference with Cowher and Gruden is that they've already won a ring. I don't know necessarily why it's the case, but it is a fact that nobody has ever won one with 2 different teams.

I'm not a fan of trying to defy history...
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:43 AM   #4
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I'm not a fan of trying to defy history...
If we don't starting learning how to defy history we'll never have a franchise QB and will only win one more playoff game over the next 40 years.

Defying history is EXACTLY what we're looking for...
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:47 AM   #5
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If we don't starting learning how to defy history we'll never have a franchise QB and will only win one more playoff game over the next 40 years.

Defying history is EXACTLY what we're looking for...
This team not drafting a QB, or winning a playoff game in 20 years, isn't the same. Since 1983, we've had only 2 owners and 3 GMs. That's too small a sample size to call it a "trend".

On the other hand, you can take the history of EVERY team and EVERY coach over the course of nearly a century - that's a sample size in the thousands - and not find a single coach that has won a championship with 2 different teams.

They're not even close to the same idea. What you want is not defying history, it's simply changing behavior.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:56 AM   #6
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This team not drafting a QB, or winning a playoff game in 20 years, isn't the same.
I would argue it is.

Bad teams with franchise QB's have knocked us out of the playoffs every year going back to 94...

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Since 1983, we've had only 2 owners and 3 GMs. That's too small a sample size to call it a "trend".
You can't be ****ing serious.

30 years is too small a sample size?...

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On the other hand, you can take the history of EVERY team and EVERY coach over the course of nearly a century - that's a sample size in the thousands - and not find a single coach that has won a championship with 2 different teams.
Parcells Won a SB.
Won an AFCC game (Patriots.) That's two champ games in two different conferences.
Then took the Jets to the AFCC game.

At this hour I'm not sure about the chronological order there but you get the point...
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:02 AM   #7
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I would argue it is.

Bad teams with franchise QB's have knocked us out of the playoffs every year going back to 94...
Yep. THAT is the historical trend. History suggests we should draft a franchise QB if we want to win in the playoffs.

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You can't be ****ing serious.

30 years is too small a sample size?...
30 years with ONE owner. That's not a historical trend, that's a behavioral issue.

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Parcells Won a SB.
Won an AFCC game (Patriots.) That's two champ games in two different conferences.
Then took the Jets to the AFCC game.

At this hour I'm not sure about the chronological order there but you get the point...
And I'm sure Patriot and Jets fans were perfectly happy with Parcells NOT winning a Super Bowl there. Our goal isn't to make it to an AFC Championship game. Hell, Marty did that. Let's bring him back.
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