drafting Trent Richardson

[jlscorpio]

just saw the 2nd different mock that has us taking T-Rich 2.0 w/our 1st pick. I'm not opposed to it since no all-world DT is available this year. Here's the write up from Foxsports:

11. Kansas City Chiefs*: Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama: The Chiefs lost Jamaal Charles in the second week of the 2011 NFL season, and the offense never rebounded. Charles should be back and healthy next season, but Richardson is the rare running back talent who can completely change an offense. The way this mock draft has unfolded, he’ll be slipping out of the Top 10 — something few scouts or experts expect. A different type of back from Charles, the two could work together to form a dynamic duo in the Kansas City backfield. Though Charles signed a five-year, $32 million extension in 2010, he’s not making the Adrian Peterson/Chris Johnson money you might expect. Richardson, a between-the-tackles grinder, is viewed as a much better pro prospect than his former teammate, Mark Ingram. In the rough-and-tumble AFC West, I love the thought of a Charles-Richardson platoon.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Micjones

This.

Forget QB (our biggest need).
We draft a RB over RT or NT and I'll be livid.

mmmm'kay

So instead we should severely reach for a NT (when there is already two promising ones on the roster) or draft a RT, which would also be highly overvalued at #11.

Reaching for need is how bad teams draft.

Drafting BPA at a position of need is how good teams draft.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Again, another reason to address OL before RB.

Here's an Idea:

Do both in the same draft!

Address both positions but take the most talented player first.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

You are a damn idiot. You need youth and break tackle ability with good speed. That's top 10.

Okay tough guy and think before you speak.

Unless you're new to football, you should know that NFL teams put entirely way to much stock into the 40 time. My point wasn't that he's not top 10 quality. It was if he runs a 4.5 40, he will not be drafted in the top 10. Bank on it.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by philfree

Good points ans what's Rivers done since Tomlinson left?

Same thing he did WITH Tomlinson - NOTHING.

[htismaqe]

I think people are missing the point.

This isn't about the value of the #11 pick. This isn't about taking a RB that high being a bad idea when you can get one much later in the draft.

This is about the overall direction of the team, the pieces that dictate the offensive philosophy.

Trent Richardson is the type of player you BUILD around. Especially for a team like the Chiefs that loves to crawl into their ultra-conservative shell whenever they get the chance, they WILL build around Richardson.

Drafting Richardson all but guarantees another decade of mediocrity. That's all there is to it.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by suds79

Okay tough guy and think before you speak.

Unless you're new to football, you should know that NFL teams put entirely way to much stock into the 40 time. My point wasn't that he's not top 10 quality. It was if he runs a 4.5 40, he will not be drafted in the top 10. Bank on it.

If he runs a 4.5, only a tenth slower than a 4.4 and you say he won't go top 10? Yes you are an idiot.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I think people are missing the point.

This isn't about the value of the #11 pick. This isn't about taking a RB that high being a bad idea when you can get one much later in the draft.

This is about the overall direction of the team, the pieces that dictate the offensive philosophy.

Trent Richardson is the type of player you BUILD around. Especially for a team like the Chiefs that loves to crawl into their ultra-conservative shell whenever they get the chance, they WILL build around Richardson.

Drafting Richardson all but guarantees another decade of mediocrity. That's all there is to it.

Which is why i said thus far you have the only dog in this fight.

But I still disagree and I gave you examples.

I have the same fear that you have, that the Chiefs will turtle up and get cozy with a game manager QB.

But it looks as though they'll do that regardless.

When Pioli is gone, and Cassel is gone, wouldn't you rather have Richardson than some random RT?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Which is why i said thus far you have the only dog in this fight.

But I still disagree and I gave you examples.

I have the same fear that you have, that the Chiefs will turtle up and get cozy with a game manager QB.

But it looks as though they'll do that regardless.

When Pioli is gone, and Cassel is gone, wouldn't you rather have Richardson than some random RT?

Would he still be running behind Barry Richardson?

I wonder how he'll like that.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

If he runs a 4.5, only a tenth slower than a 4.4 and you say he won't go top 10? Yes you are an idiot.

Never said that the 40 time issue at the combine isn't ridiculous. But that's reality. That's how NFL teams view it. Not my fault that you don't understand that.

Saving this exchange for the draft. We'll just see who the idiot is.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Which is why i said thus far you have the only dog in this fight.

But I still disagree and I gave you examples.

I have the same fear that you have, that the Chiefs will turtle up and get cozy with a game manager QB.

But it looks as though they'll do that regardless.

When Pioli is gone, and Cassel is gone, wouldn't you rather have Richardson than some random RT?

There's a better than good chance that Richardson won't last long enough to see Pioli and Cassel get shown the door.

And even if he does, the next crew that comes in here will be just as tempted to build the offense around him.

I'd much rather have the random RT and the uncertainty that comes with it. The certainty that comes with a player like Richardson is not something I want to endure.

[Baby Lee]

Anyone know anything about TR's skills as a receiver?

Big difference between a Jerome Bettis and a Marshall Faulk.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

There's a better than good chance that Richardson won't last long enough to see Pioli and Cassel get shown the door.

And even if he does, the next crew that comes in here will be just as tempted to build the offense around him.

I'd much rather have the random RT and the uncertainty that comes with it. The certainty that comes with a player like Richardson is not something I want to endure.

If Cassel fails next season, he will be gone. If he's not gone and Cassel gets another chance to succeed, then Pioli will be shown the door with him. Dude is on a short leash.

And when a new staff comes in, a new QB will almost always comes along with it.

Like i said. We can't predict the future.

So basing your current picks off of what MIGHT happen isn't a good idea IMO.






The fact of the matter is, at this point it's hard to say what the Chiefs SHOULD do w/o F/A.

If the Chiefs land a guy like M. Bush, obviously my view on Richardson would sway significantly.

What if the Chiefs landed Manning? Too many what if's.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Would he still be running behind Barry Richardson?

I wonder how he'll like that.

Trent is used to running behind paltry run blockers. Alabama's O-Line basically run blocks for shit but pass protects like monsters.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Anyone know anything about TR's skills as a receiver?

Big difference between a Jerome Bettis and a Marshall Faulk.

They don't use him much as a receiver. Probably for good reason. He's made really clutch catches and he's dropped heartbreakers. If I were coming to his pro day I'd want to see him in reception drills.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

There's a better than good chance that Richardson won't last long enough to see Pioli and Cassel get shown the door.

And even if he does, the next crew that comes in here will be just as tempted to build the offense around him.

I'd much rather have the random RT and the uncertainty that comes with it. The certainty that comes with a player like Richardson is not something I want to endure.

Third down is the biggest down in the NFL these days. It dictates momentum and possession. In 3rd and 4. Would you comfortably run Charles or have to pass with Cassel OR give the rock to TR for a hard 4 yard gain?

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by suds79

Never said that the 40 time issue at the combine isn't ridiculous. But that's reality. That's how NFL teams view it. Not my fault that you don't understand that.

Saving this exchange for the draft. We'll just see who the idiot is.

I'll agree to that. Wait for the draft which is quickly creeping up on us.