Chiefs Holthus takes a shot at Haley... - Page 4

**petegz28** · 08-15-2012, 05:11 PM

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It's all bullshit because Brian Daboll used to scream bloody murder at Colt McCoy.

Well he isn't yelling at Cassel. Why? Who knows? Maybe he realized that wasn't the most effective way to get production out of a QB and an offense?

don't you find it odd that Haley's most calm season here was the one where Weis was forced on him?

Hammock Parties · 08-15-2012, 05:13 PM

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Well he isn't yelling at Cassel. Why? Who knows?

It's preseason.

**DaFace** · 08-15-2012, 05:12 PM

I have no doubt that RAC is more calm than Haley and that that makes the team seem more cordial and organized. The question is whether that style translates into in-field performance or not. Some guys just need someone to kick them in the ass to get motivated.

**petegz28** · 08-15-2012, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

I have no doubt that RAC is more calm than Haley and that that makes the team seem more cordial and organized. The question is whether that style translates into in-field performance or not. Some guys just need someone to kick them in the ass to get motivated.

Agreed. And I agree there is a time to yell. Just not all the time, every play and every player and every coach or every time something goes wrong.

I often model Marty in that situation when talking about the right way to yell. You think he didn't yell? You think he never grabbed a player by the facemask? But he didn't do it every single time something didn't go right.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-15-2012, 05:15 PM

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I have no doubt that RAC is more calm than Haley and that that makes the team seem more cordial and organized. The question is whether that style translates into in-field performance or not. Some guys just need someone to kick them in the ass to get motivated.

I've said this before. I just hope RAC isn't our version of Norv Turner.

Player's coaches always do great for the first few years. But if they're too soft, there comes a point when the honeymoon ends and the players realize they can get away with anything. If Romeo doesn't tear into his players who show up late, who don't work hard enough in practice, etc.... players start to get soft.

I hope something has changed. Because that was his reputation in Cleveland -- a real nice guy that players loved, but so nice that his players softened up over time.

**petegz28** · 08-15-2012, 05:17 PM

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I've said this before. I just hope RAC isn't our version of Norv Turner.

Player's coaches always do great for the first few years. But if they're too soft, there comes a point when the honeymoon ends and the players realize they can get away with anything. If Romeo doesn't tear into his players who show up late, who don't work hard enough in practice, etc.... players start to get soft.

I hope something has changed. Because that was his reputation in Cleveland -- a real nice guy that players loved, but so nice that his players softened up over time.

Holthus talked about this and used the Monday walk-through as an example of Romeo calling for accountability. Said the walk-thorugh was shabby so Romeo would not let them go until they got shit right. and Id on't think Romeo will have a problem of laying into a player when it needs to be done. After all he is a defensive coach and that sort of comes with the territory.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-15-2012, 05:28 PM

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Holthus talked about this and used the Monday walk-through as an example of Romeo calling for accountability. Said the walk-thorugh was shabby so Romeo would not let them go until they got shit right. and Id on't think Romeo will have a problem of laying into a player when it needs to be done. After all he is a defensive coach and that sort of comes with the territory.

That wasn't his reputation as a defensive coach. He is an unbelievable technical coach, unbelievable defensive strategist, and terrific dealing with players. But so is Norv Turner on the offensive side of the ball. His reputation in the past is that he is a player's coach that players love. When he was in Cleveland, players walked all over him after some time.

It's not like there isn't a long history to base this off of. Maybe he's learned from Cleveland and I hope he has. But right now, you can't pretend that his track record doesn't exist or make excuses for why it happened the first time around.

saphojunkie · 08-15-2012, 05:38 PM

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That wasn't his reputation as a defensive coach. He is an unbelievable technical coach, unbelievable defensive strategist, and terrific dealing with players. But so is Norv Turner on the offensive side of the ball. His reputation in the past is that he is a player's coach that players love. When he was in Cleveland, players walked all over him after some time.

It's not like there isn't a long history to base this off of. Maybe he's learned from Cleveland and I hope he has. But right now, you can't pretend that his track record doesn't exist or make excuses for why it happened the first time around.

You are also using Cleveland as his only track record. Who is to say that Romeo didn't have the support of the front office? Who is to say that Romeo hasn't learned from that experience?

I don't understand people who look at a handful of years - his first head coaching experience - and say that will categorically define him as a coach going forward.

Once again...

Belichick.
Shottenheimer.

Sucked in Cleveland.

**petegz28** · 08-15-2012, 06:36 PM

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That wasn't his reputation as a defensive coach. He is an unbelievable technical coach, unbelievable defensive strategist, and terrific dealing with players. But so is Norv Turner on the offensive side of the ball. His reputation in the past is that he is a player's coach that players love. When he was in Cleveland, players walked all over him after some time.

It's not like there isn't a long history to base this off of. Maybe he's learned from Cleveland and I hope he has. But right now, you can't pretend that his track record doesn't exist or make excuses for why it happened the first time around.

Do you think he let the players in NE walk all over him?

**petegz28** · 08-15-2012, 05:25 PM

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I've said this before. I just hope RAC isn't our version of Norv Turner.

Player's coaches always do great for the first few years. But if they're too soft, there comes a point when the honeymoon ends and the players realize they can get away with anything. If Romeo doesn't tear into his players who show up late, who don't work hard enough in practice, etc.... players start to get soft.

I hope something has changed. Because that was his reputation in Cleveland -- a real nice guy that players loved, but so nice that his players softened up over time.

Crennel also had shit for talent in Cleveland and oh, BTW, he was the last coach to take them to the playoffs. BB sucked in Cleveland too and for pretty much the same reason.

mr. tegu · 08-15-2012, 05:24 PM

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hope something has changed. Because that was his reputation in Cleveland -- a real nice guy that players loved, but so nice that his players softened up over time.

One would think that he learned his lesson from his experiences in Cleveland and that being tough and yelling is appropriate and necessary at times.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-15-2012, 05:26 PM

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One would think that he learned his lesson from his experiences in Cleveland and that being tough and yelling is appropriate and necessary at times.

I hope so. I'm not saying he hasn't learned or that things won't be different. But it's important to note that his reputation in his long career is that he's a player's coach.

Brock · 08-15-2012, 05:27 PM

Pro players who need a bunch of yelling to get them to do their job should just be gotten rid of anyway. Veteran players are supposed to handle that.

mr. tegu · 08-15-2012, 05:40 PM

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I hope so. I'm not saying he hasn't learned or that things won't be different. But it's important to note that his reputation in his long career is that he's a player's coach.

I got you. Hopefully he has realized as a coordinator he can be a players coach. But as a HC his style was too permissive.

mr. tegu · 08-15-2012, 06:13 PM

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There are lots of coaches who have pre-determined plays. In fact, a good chunk of them. And frankly, the reason why we ran the ball against a stacked defensive line is because... well... Cassel couldn't throw the ball well against a stacked line either.

Maybe the coaching limited him. But let's not try to pretend that a lot of his problems are because he just wasn't very good.

An audible to a pass play from a run play with a stacked d-line is different and has different defensive reactions than a called pass play against a stacked d-line

All that being said, wouldn't a better option and lesser of two evils be to allow Cassel to change the play pre snap to a pass to at least have a CHANCE at a successful play instead of just running Battle/Jones into the teeth of the defense? I think so at least.

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DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1866899	I have no doubt that RAC is more calm than Haley and that that makes the team seem more cordial and organized. The question is whether that style translates into in-field performance or not. Some guys just need someone to kick them in the ass to get motivated.
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