Science Spinoff: Second Hand Smoke Risks: Fact or Fiction? - Page 4

**AustinChief** · 06-01-2012, 01:42 AM

I know we have had this debate before but I feel like getting a fresh perspective on this.

I would like to hear people's beliefs on the subject BUT I won't accept a simple "well the CDC says this or Penn and Teller say that"... as support. You have to actually presents FACTS.

I personally don't think a legit study has been done to prove a statistically significant health risk to second hand smoke. That doesn't mean that risks don't exist.. that means that there is no hard science backing up the idea.

HAIL SCIENCE!

Ok, I'll start with my facts backing up this up in the next post....

**DaKCMan AP** · 06-01-2012, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

...this crap again?

my clothes! my clothes!

You're such a tough guy!

Ace Gunner · 06-01-2012, 09:28 AM

after more thought on this subject, I would take a woman that gives good head but has smoke scent over a woman that does not give good head and smells like downey. of course, I'm open to other opinions however reeruned they may be.

qabbaan · 06-01-2012, 09:31 AM

If you waitressed in one of those diners where everyone was smoking for 30 years I might believe it, but there aren't really any places like that anymore. Certainly, breathing environment smoke is nowhere close to actually smoking yourself.

I think "secondhand smoke" is mostly just a legal basis for people to ban smoking because they find it distasteful. That's fine, but call it what it is.

**Iowanian** · 06-01-2012, 09:36 AM

I'm pretty sure this is the topics that made the Frazfields and McCoy's start shooting up family reunions and voting day events.

**Buehler445** · 06-01-2012, 09:36 AM

Here is my take. Second hand smoke absolutely carries health risks at least for my mostly dead ass. I can say that because everytime I have a lot of exposure, I feel like hell. I was sick as hell after Christmas when I spent all of Christmas at my grandmas while she was smoking. And it isn't her. It's a bar or anything that has high smoke exposure.

That being said, I'm not in favor of widespread bans. I don't go where there is smoke. Period. And I'm not naive enough to think that my patronage is any more important than anyone else's. Accordingly the business should decide. If he gets more business from smokers than he loses from non-smokers, so be it. But I am rarely ever in favor of government inhibiting the business from doing what it needs to to make money. And at this point, people aren't dropping dead like flies so I'm not sure there is any huge societal risk.

I'm not sure how I feel about smoking bans on a local level. That is a pretty small representation so the representation should be more accurate. I'm torn on local bans.

lcarus · 06-01-2012, 09:51 AM

I'm a smoker now, but before I was a smoker, second hand smoke didn't bother me. The smell didn't bother me that much, and unless I was in a small closed room with a smoker I didn't ever feel like the cigarette smoke had any effect on me whatsoever. Some people are seriously just bitches.

**HemiEd** · 06-01-2012, 09:53 AM

Like anything, it would be the extent of the smoke. A little bit of smoke is going to make little to no difference IMO.

But, if you have the amount we used to have in our pool hall, or a Led Zep concert on a regular basis, it is going to kill you, just as much as if you smoked a couple packs a day.

I took a glass of Ice Tea home from the pool hall one night, and sat it down. When I woke up the next morning, the stink from it was despicable.

(former 45 year smoker)

**Bugeater** · 06-01-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Then you havent had tenants that stay for several years. Its gross, nicotine drips off of everything during cleaning

Yes, I have. Yes, it's gross. Yes, it creates extra work for the painters and cleaners. No, we have never called ServiceMaster to handle the job.

**Lzen** · 06-01-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

...Let the property owner decide what to allow, and the customers can decide where to go.

I tend to agree with this. That being said, this is one gov't regulation that I can live with.

whoman69 · 06-01-2012, 01:45 PM

The same smoke that goes into the lungs is the same smoke that goes in the air. Its proven cigarette smoke is deadly. Does it really take a team of scientists to figure out this could be deadly too?

NewChief · 06-01-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

The same smoke that goes into the lungs is the same smoke that goes in the air. Its proven cigarette smoke is deadly. Does it really take a team of scientists to figure out this could be deadly too?

He's going to bring up the potency argument in direct vs. sidestream smoke. I've been down this path with AustinChief before. If his whole IT thing doesn't pan out, he might have a future as an apologist for the tobacco industry.

**Saul Good** · 06-01-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

The same smoke that goes into the lungs is the same smoke that goes in the air. Its proven cigarette smoke is deadly. Does it really take a team of scientists to figure out this could be deadly too?

I don't know. Why don't you show us the results of a scientific study?

**HemiEd** · 06-01-2012, 01:57 PM

Smoke is smoke, whether it has been in someone else's lungs previously, or not.

**Saul Good** · 06-01-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Smoke is smoke, whether it has been in someone else's lungs previously, or not.

Actually, no. The air that leaves a persons lungs is not the same as when it entered. This is primary school-level science.

WhiteWhale · 06-01-2012, 04:14 PM

I smoke.

First of all, **** you. I think fat people are gross. I think ugly people are gross. Looking at people with idiotic hair cuts annoys me. "It affects my mood and such"

Quit whining.

Second of all I cannot STAND smokey rooms. It hurts my eyes. I remember being in a room with like 8 people smoking and there was a ****ing baby there. I got up to walk outside and the baby's mother asks me where I was going. I told her I was going to smoke outside. She said "Why?"

I told her I thought her baby had enough to smoke.

She got ****ing PISSED. Yelled at me and threw me out. 3 months later the baby was diagnosed with a lung condition. Gee... I wonder what happened?

Smoke... ANY KIND of smoke in large volumes is bad for you. Especially if you are a child and many parents, like her, are irresponsible reeruns.

A grown adult being exposed to 2nd hand smoke from one cigarette in a room is NOT hurting them. Volume matters people.

06-01-2012, 01:42 AM
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $2489112	Spinoff: Second Hand Smoke Risks: Fact or Fiction? I know we have had this debate before but I feel like getting a fresh perspective on this. I would like to hear people's beliefs on the subject BUT I won't accept a simple "well the CDC says this or Penn and Teller say that"... as support. You have to actually presents FACTS. I personally don't think a legit study has been done to prove a statistically significant health risk to second hand smoke. That doesn't mean that risks don't exist.. that means that there is no hard science backing up the idea. HAIL SCIENCE! Ok, I'll start with my facts backing up this up in the next post....
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06-01-2012, 09:28 AM	#47
Ace Gunner First Overall Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: kcmo Casino cash: $10007271	after more thought on this subject, I would take a woman that gives good head but has smoke scent over a woman that does not give good head and smells like downey. of course, I'm open to other opinions however reeruned they may be. __________________ The Greatest
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06-01-2012, 09:31 AM	#48
qabbaan Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 Casino cash: $10004900	If you waitressed in one of those diners where everyone was smoking for 30 years I might believe it, but there aren't really any places like that anymore. Certainly, breathing environment smoke is nowhere close to actually smoking yourself. I think "secondhand smoke" is mostly just a legal basis for people to ban smoking because they find it distasteful. That's fine, but call it what it is.
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06-01-2012, 09:36 AM	#49
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4668454	I'm pretty sure this is the topics that made the Frazfields and McCoy's start shooting up family reunions and voting day events.
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06-01-2012, 09:36 AM	#50
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2134734	Here is my take. Second hand smoke absolutely carries health risks at least for my mostly dead ass. I can say that because everytime I have a lot of exposure, I feel like hell. I was sick as hell after Christmas when I spent all of Christmas at my grandmas while she was smoking. And it isn't her. It's a bar or anything that has high smoke exposure. That being said, I'm not in favor of widespread bans. I don't go where there is smoke. Period. And I'm not naive enough to think that my patronage is any more important than anyone else's. Accordingly the business should decide. If he gets more business from smokers than he loses from non-smokers, so be it. But I am rarely ever in favor of government inhibiting the business from doing what it needs to to make money. And at this point, people aren't dropping dead like flies so I'm not sure there is any huge societal risk. I'm not sure how I feel about smoking bans on a local level. That is a pretty small representation so the representation should be more accurate. I'm torn on local bans.
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06-01-2012, 09:51 AM	#51
lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $1679928	I'm a smoker now, but before I was a smoker, second hand smoke didn't bother me. The smell didn't bother me that much, and unless I was in a small closed room with a smoker I didn't ever feel like the cigarette smoke had any effect on me whatsoever. Some people are seriously just bitches.
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06-01-2012, 09:53 AM	#52
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $3100564	Like anything, it would be the extent of the smoke. A little bit of smoke is going to make little to no difference IMO. But, if you have the amount we used to have in our pool hall, or a Led Zep concert on a regular basis, it is going to kill you, just as much as if you smoked a couple packs a day. I took a glass of Ice Tea home from the pool hall one night, and sat it down. When I woke up the next morning, the stink from it was despicable. (former 45 year smoker) Last edited by HemiEd; 06-01-2012 at 01:55 PM..
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06-01-2012, 01:57 PM	#58
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $3100564	Smoke is smoke, whether it has been in someone else's lungs previously, or not.
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06-01-2012, 04:14 PM	#60
WhiteWhale Bring it on Ahab! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Doo-Dah Casino cash: $10015152	I smoke. First of all, ** you. I think fat people are gross. I think ugly people are gross. Looking at people with idiotic hair cuts annoys me. "It affects my mood and such" Quit whining. Second of all I cannot STAND smokey rooms. It hurts my eyes. I remember being in a room with like 8 people smoking and there was a ing baby there. I got up to walk outside and the baby's mother asks me where I was going. I told her I was going to smoke outside. She said "Why?" I told her I thought her baby had enough to smoke. She got **ing PISSED. Yelled at me and threw me out. 3 months later the baby was diagnosed with a lung condition. Gee... I wonder what happened? Smoke... ANY KIND of smoke in large volumes is bad for you. Especially if you are a child and many parents, like her, are irresponsible reeruns. A grown adult being exposed to 2nd hand smoke from one cigarette in a room is NOT hurting them. Volume matters people.
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