****Official Royals Vs. Tampa Bay Double Header Gamethread 7/7****

[GloryDayz]

Attaboy Hoch...

[KevB]

Man, that is dealing. Start 0-2, pound inside for 2 pitches and then paint the outside black. Nasty.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Yea, that's not Brett.

Yea, I know. Said as much.

[big nasty kcnut]

LUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[Saul Good]

I don't think you can manage with fear like that. Billy Hamilton plays every day and he's even smaller than Dyson

I'm not saying you're wrong. It's just a distinct possibility that he's a guy who is best when he doesn't have to deal with the grind of 150 games plus postseason. I thought we used him to perfection in the postseason last year.

[eDave]

Yea, I know. Said as much.

Just confirmin nigga.

:thumb:

[siberian khatru]

Hoch has pitched very well lately, and tonight was 2013 Hoch.

[Saul Good]

Hoch his straight dealing right now.

[stonedstooge]

COOL HAND LUKE. HELL YEAH

[ReynardMuldrake]

"Omar comin'.!!!

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/a/a7/Omar_730.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130811030546&path-prefix=protagonist

[C3HIEF3S]

Dirty, Hoch

[lewdog]

That was Hoch's best inning of the year.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Damn!

[KevB]

Wow, Hoch. If we can start to get that Hoch consistently, holy shit.

[siberian khatru]

Man, he was nasty tonight

[duncan_idaho]

That was Hoch's best inning of the year.

He's getting back to full health. Velo is ticking up. Cutter and curve are regaining their bite.

[Great Expectations]

He played a shit ton last year and was a 3 WAR guy. If that's exposed, sign me up

How much of that war was generated coming in late and stealing second base on his way to scoring a run?

I'm not sure what all components go into war and I'm good with platooning Dyson.

[Hootie]

Hoch looked great there. Nice velo

[Coach]

Smoked him.

[big nasty kcnut]

He was sick!

[lewdog]

He's getting back to full health. Velo is ticking up. Cutter and curve are regaining their bite.

And my cock is getting super hard.

[Hootie]

Pretty filthy pen depth ...

Still have the most faith in Wade and ...Madson this year

[C3HIEF3S]

Dyson has been on a fucking tear lately. He started slow this season, but ever since... jesus.

[Saul Good]

The Twins blew out the Orioles, and it looks like they're going to lose half a game in the standings. Sucks to be them.

[cosmo20002]

Rios needs to find a nice slab of bench and get comfy.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Hope Dyson ran fast enough there.

[Hootie]

Dyson was the spark today. No doubt

[WilliamTheIrish]

Play him while he's hot.

[siberian khatru]

Adding another run or two wouldn't hurt

[big nasty kcnut]

Damn good job royals!

[Hootie]

Dyson just adds so much more to this team ... Puts so much pressure on the oppo when he's on base

[WilliamTheIrish]

Gerald Perry? Holy crap. How forgettable was he?

[lewdog]

Gerald Perry? Holy crap. How forgettable was he?

Who?

[Munson]

Gordo comes through again!

Barely misses a homerun.

[C3HIEF3S]

Jesus Gordo..

[petegz28]

Gordon continuing to just beast on these fuckers

[Coach]

Tack on 2 more.

[KevB]

GORDO!!

[siberian khatru]

Gordo's had himself quite a Tuesday

[lewdog]

Raise that AVG and OBP.

[WilliamTheIrish]

It's nice to see the guys pick up Hos.

[big nasty kcnut]

GORDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah baby!

[GloryDayz]

My awesomeness as a fan is awesome!

[KCCHIEFS27]

Alex Gordon seems to really enjoy batting in the 2 hole.

[Hootie]

Damn Alex, that was a hell of a hit. Love when our lefties go with the pitch

[petegz28]

WTF is the difference between a double header and a "split" double header?

[RealSNR]

This is like that one movie where a kid breaks his arm and all of a sudden can throw like 200 MPH.

Gordon gets beaned on his bad wrist and then goes on one of his fucking tears at the plate.

[Saul Good]

This is so damned fun to watch...

[Coach]

Gordo's had himself quite a Tuesday

7 hits today in this double header.

[GloryDayz]

Perhaps not planned many moons ago, but how is this not a double-header?

[C3HIEF3S]

HOSMER RUINS THE FUN YET AGAIN

[tk13]

WTF is the difference between a double header and a "split" double header?

A doubleheader is played back to back. Split doubleheader is like today... play one game then one later on.

[stonedstooge]

WTF is the difference between a double header and a "split" double header?

A ticket

[petegz28]

I think Hosmer has ended the last 3 inings

[Coach]

Rally killer.

[KChiefs1]

Yea, that's not Brett.


Famous Amos

[Fairplay]

Gordon's having a fantastic season

[Hootie]

WTF is the difference between a double header and a "split" double header?
DH starts back to back, no break between games

[suzzer99]

Er if you're not going to count split double-headers you're never gonna have another double-header record.

[suzzer99]

DH starts back to back, no break between games

Which they almost never do anymore.

[Jerok]

Hey did Hoz end another rally? Is the sun blue?

[Hootie]

Gordon's having a fantastic season
Should bat leadoff but whatever

[kysirsoze]

Tonight the role of Alex Rios will be played by Eric Hosmer.

[tk13]

Gordon's having a fantastic season

Gonna get himself a big contract.

[C3HIEF3S]

Which they almost never do anymore.

The only times I can recall them doing that anymore are when a game is suspended in-progress.
Finish the suspended game then 30 minutes later start the next one. I guess that doesn't even qualify as a double-header. But that's bs.

[ReynardMuldrake]

Split DH is still a DH. Fuck the stats.

[Hootie]

Gordon raised his .OPS like 60 points today lol

[baitism]

Who bats after Hosmer?


The other team.

[Fairplay]

A doubleheader is played back to back. Split doubleheader is like today... play one game then one later on.

I didn't know that. They should explain that to the fans better.

[Hootie]

Gonna get himself a big contract.
5 / 90 ought to keep him in KC

[siberian khatru]

How many years has it been since a doubleheader was scheduled?

[Dartgod]

Who bats after Hosmer?


The other team.

ROFL

[Saul Good]

Gordon could get $20,000,000 a year if he really wants to in his next contract.

[petegz28]

6 run lead, I think I would have saved Madson for tomorrow night and let Hoch finish it out but meh

[siberian khatru]

Who bats after Hosmer?


The other team.

Quality

[petegz28]

Who bats after Hosmer?


The other team.

:clap:

[Hootie]

Best PITCHES in our bullpen.

#1 : Davis cutter
#2 : Herrera fastball
#3 : Holland slider
#4 : Madson changeup

[WilliamTheIrish]

This pen... I don't even.

[siberian khatru]

That's a good day of Royals baseball

[Hootie]

Gordon could get $20,000,000 a year if he really wants to in his next contract.
5 / 90 was my hometown discount

I bet he could get 6 / 120 if he wanted

[Munson]

That'll do it.

Its been a heck of a Tuesday.

[C3HIEF3S]

The Royals season isn't lost anymore like it was 4 days ago!!!!

[big nasty kcnut]

Royals win the Royals win! Boom!

[suzzer99]

I didn't know Madson's story. That's amazing.

[Hootie]

Best PITCHES in our bullpen.

#1 : Davis cutter
#2 : Herrera fastball
#3 : Holland slider
#4 : Madson changeup
#37 : Herrera changeup

[Saul Good]

5 / 90 was my hometown discount

I bet he could get 6 / 120 if he wanted

I 100% agree with your numbers. I didn't even see your post until after I posted mine.

[WilliamTheIrish]

The Royals season isn't lost anymore like it was 4 days ago!!!!

LMAO

[big nasty kcnut]

Salvy with the sneak attack!

[Hootie]

The Royals season isn't lost anymore like it was 4 days ago!!!!
Imagine that !

[WilliamTheIrish]

I didn't know Madson's story. That's amazing.

The only reason to like the Jim Fregosi family.

[RealSNR]

That was nice of the Royals to beat the Rays with no walk-off. Apparently before tonight they last their last 4 by walk-offs.

You're welcome, Rays.

[tk13]

Yeah somebody who's super big into advanced stats will love Gordon, I'd imagine. Enough to give him a huge contract.

[ChiefsCountry]

On pace to win 96 games.

[Saul Good]

Yeah somebody who's super big into advanced stats will love Gordon, I'd imagine. Enough to give him a huge contract.

I think we sign him, and he retires a career Royal. The only question will be where he ranks in Royals history as a player by the time he's done. I'm guessing he's going to be widely considered the second greatest Royal ever.

[Hootie]

Yeah somebody who's super big into advanced stats will love Gordon, I'd imagine. Enough to give him a huge contract.
If he can't be a Royal, he'd look pretty badass leading off in that Cubs order

[Hootie]

If he can't be a Royal, he'd look pretty badass leading off in that Cubs order
Although, he might actually kill himself on the brick wall

[GloryDayz]

OK, serious question, how will the Papa John's deal work based on today?

[SAUTO]

I think we sign him, and he retires a career Royal. The only question will be where he ranks in Royals history as a player by the time he's done. I'm guessing he's going to be widely considered the second greatest Royal ever.

I hope you are right

[KChiefs1]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/59382341008235d45b6976388ca746c7.jpg
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[Coach]

48-33 halfway through the season.

Not too shabby.

[Saul Good]

48-33 halfway through the season.

Not too shabby.

25-56 is going to suck.

[tk13]

I think we sign him, and he retires a career Royal. The only question will be where he ranks in Royals history as a player by the time he's done. I'm guessing he's going to be widely considered the second greatest Royal ever.

I do think we have a better shot at getting Gordon than Hosmer or Moose... and signing Gordon would produce a lot of goodwill with the fans and make him a Royals lifer for sure, even if he ended up laying his last couple years somewhere else.

[Hootie]

25-56 is going to suck.
24-57*

And that's stretching it with all of our surplus value currently in Omaha

[Great Expectations]

We signed Sweeney instead of Beltran for goodwill with the fans.

[mr. tegu]

OK, serious question, how will the Papa John's deal work based on today?

Half off pizza and free iguana dip for all tomorrow.

[baitism]

So, do we get 100% off at Papa Johns tomorrow?

[WilliamTheIrish]

25-56 is going to suck.


25-56 is going to suck.
24-57*

And that's stretching it with all of our surplus value currently in Omaha

LMAO I love this stuff.

[WilliamTheIrish]

We signed Sweeney instead of Beltran for goodwill with the fans.

That was a Scott Boras play, no?

[Great Expectations]

That was a Scott Boras play, no?

Beltran wanted to stay, we gave our money to Sweeney instead.

[GloryDayz]

So, do we get 100% off at Papa Johns tomorrow?
Or at least double the pizza. Don't fuck us Papa John's.

[cosmo20002]

Best PITCHES in our bullpen.

#1 : Davis cutter
#2 : Herrera fastball
#3 : Holland slider
#4 : Madson changeup

He has no 'out' pitch tho!

[Munson]

So, do we get 100% off at Papa Johns tomorrow?

If not, I'm gonna start a riot!

[Hootie]

He has no 'out' pitch tho!
If he did, he'd be Kimbrel filthy

[Hootie]

Beltran wanted to stay, we gave our money to Sweeney instead.
Yeah, giving Beltran $140M was realistic ! Not

[cosmo20002]

The Royals season isn't lost anymore like it was 4 days ago!!!!

Generally shitty starters + generally mediocre hitting + injuries and suspensions and bereavement leaves = It's pretty amazing

[ChiTown]

Bruce Chen is pretty rough as a post game analyst.

[KChiefs1]

Bruce Chen is pretty rough as a post game analyst.


Yeah he needs a lot of work.

[DeepSouth]

Who bats after Hosmer?


The other team.
When Moose and Cain get back in the lineup, I'd move Hosmer down to about the 7th spot behind Perez. Hosmer was 1 for 10 in the double header.

[ChiTown]

When Moose and Cain get back in the lineup, I'd move Hosmer down to about the 7th spot behind Perez. Hosmer was 1 for 10 in the double header.

My Post ASG lineup:

1. Gordon - .394 OBP (38 BB)
2. Moose
3. Cain
4. Morales
5. Hosmer
6. Perez
7. Dyson/Rios
8. Infante
9. Escobar - .323 OBP (14 BB)

[Saul Good]

My Post ASG lineup:

1. Gordon - .394 OBP (38 BB)
2. Moose
3. Cain
4. Morales
5. Hosmer
6. Perez
7. Dyson/Rios
8. Infante
9. Escobar - .323 OBP (14 BB)

That should be our lineup in a perfect world where you don't have to worry about managing egos.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

My Post ASG lineup:

1. Gordon - .394 OBP (38 BB)
2. Moose
3. Cain
4. Morales
5. Hosmer
6. Perez
7. Dyson/Rios
8. Infante
9. Escobar - .323 OBP (14 BB)

Ned batting two lefties back to back? what? :D

[WilliamTheIrish]

That should be our lineup in a perfect world where you don't have to worry about managing egos.

That should happen after Ned chews the entire team out for their lazy, impatient approach at the plate, since we are only 15 games above the water and just swept a DH scoring 16 runs, and well....because 64%.

[ChiTown]

That should happen after Ned chews the entire team out for their lazy, impatient approach at the plate, since we are only 15 games above the water and just swept a DH scoring 16 runs, and well....because 64%.

I'll lazy and don't want to search, but what's the 64% refer to?

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

I'll lazy and don't want to search, but what's the 64% refer to?

Advanced statistical analysis performed by a baseball legend.

[ChiTown]

Advanced statistical analysis performed by a baseball legend.

pete?

[KChiefs1]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/08/fbf26316ca07cba56e6746eaad50a839.jpg

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

pete?

http://33.media.tumblr.com/aac27f3277e9c1de12f1dd62625cb680/tumblr_mlbwbqulQ91r0ix14o1_500.gif

[ChiTown]

http://33.media.tumblr.com/aac27f3277e9c1de12f1dd62625cb680/tumblr_mlbwbqulQ91r0ix14o1_500.gif

:LOL:

[WilliamTheIrish]

I'll lazy and don't want to search, but what's the 64% refer to?

Pete was being his usual apoplectic self, and said basically Herrera was going to blow the 1st game in the 7th.
Of course, Herrera blew the next two batters away and stranded the runner and Pete regurgitated a stat that says "in situation x the runner scores 64% of the time" and them something herp-derpy about his detractors and their "hindsight".

It was typical Pete.

[ChiTown]

Pete was being his usual apoplectic self, and said basically Herrera was going to blow the 1st game in the 7th.
Of course, Herrera blew the next two batters away and stranded the runner and Pete regurgitated a stat that says "in situation x the runner scores 64% of the time" and them something herp-derpy about his detractors and their "hindsight".

It was typical Pete.

Oh, my! Somehow, I must have missed that in the game thread. I just remember Hootie bemoaning the fact that Herrera needs another pitch in his repertoires - which, of course, was before he struck out the final two batters he faced.o:-)

[Hootie]

Oh, my! Somehow, I must have missed that in the game thread. I just remember Hootie bemoaning the fact that Herrera needs another pitch in his repertoires - which, of course, was before he struck out the final two batters he faced.o:-)
...using the only pitch he's developed

He's the Latin Kyle Farnsworth. He better not lose any velocity or he'll be pitching for the Long Island Skeeters

[Saul Good]

Pete was being his usual apoplectic self, and said basically Herrera was going to blow the 1st game in the 7th.
Of course, Herrera blew the next two batters away and stranded the runner and Pete regurgitated a stat that says "in situation x the runner scores 64% of the time" and them something herp-derpy about his detractors and their "hindsight".

It was typical Pete.

Any chance you could create a chart to demonstrate this?

[petegz28]

I'll lazy and don't want to search, but what's the 64% refer to?

When the Rays had 1st & 3rd with 1 out in game 1, I said it was about to "cost us". After it didn't and using his 10000% hindsight vision, William mocked my statement. When I told him there is a 64% chance of a run scoring in that situation he proceeded to pile on with the mocking because stating the statistics and having the balls to make a call based on said stats before the act is moranic when you could just wait until it's all over, use hindsight and be a genius.

[petegz28]

Pete was being his usual apoplectic self, and said basically Herrera was going to blow the 1st game in the 7th.
Of course, Herrera blew the next two batters away and stranded the runner and Pete regurgitated a stat that says "in situation x the runner scores 64% of the time" and them something herp-derpy about his detractors and their "hindsight".

It was typical Pete.

In other words, using the stats to base an opinion isn't as reliable as hindsight. :thumb:

[petegz28]

Any chance you could create a chart to demonstrate this?

http://www.golivewire.com/forums/img.cgi?s=94131

[Pablo]

http://www.golivewire.com/forums/img.cgi?s=94131Look, another chart that's just as valuable as the first one.

[Saul Good]

I feel like there are plenty of other things that I can suck that the chart failed to incorporate.

[Saul Good]

...and we love you pete, but shitting all over you in Royals threads has proven to be a winning formua, so it would be dangerous to stray from it.

[GloryDayz]

http://www.golivewire.com/forums/img.cgi?s=94131LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

[GloryDayz]

http://www.golivewire.com/forums/img.cgi?s=94131

Please don't ever change....

[Mama Hip Rockets]

...using the only pitch he's developed

He's the Latin Kyle Farnsworth. He better not lose any velocity or he'll be pitching for the Long Island Skeeters

This is such a ridiculous statement. Farnsworth was never, at any point in his career, as good as Herrera has been the past couple of years.

[Hootie]

This is such a ridiculous statement. Farnsworth was never, at any point in his career, as good as Herrera has been the past couple of years.

actually, he was

and he was the same guy

threw 100, never developed an out pitch (other than that 100)

[Hootie]

there is absolutely no reason a guy who constantly hits 100 struggles to strike out a batter per inning pitched

it's because he has 100 and 90, and that's it

it's one of those things where I know how good he is, but it sucks, because I know how great he could be

[cosmo20002]

Look, another chart that's just as valuable as the first one.

This one at least kind of makes sense. I mean, I can follow it and understand what it is saying.

[cosmo20002]

I feel like there are plenty of other things that I can suck that the chart failed to incorporate.

I interpreted the chart to mean things pete suggests you suck, but I can see your view as well.

[tk13]

Farnsworth was the prime example that not anyone can be a closer. There were times he'd just wilt under pressure. Comparing Herrera to him isn't fair. Herrera is a very good reliever that's been stuck behind two of the best closers in baseball. Farnsworth was inconsistent from year to year. His career numbers can't be anywhere close to Herrera's. Farnsworth had several years with 4-5 ERAs. His name shouldn't be mentioned in a class with any of our relievers.

[Hootie]

Farnsworth was the prime example that not anyone can be a closer. There were times he'd just wilt under pressure. Comparing Herrera to him isn't fair. Herrera is a very good reliever that's been stuck behind two of the best closers in baseball. Farnsworth was inconsistent from year to year. His career numbers can't be anywhere close to Herrera's. Farnsworth had several years with 4-5 ERAs.
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while pitching in the midst of the steroid era in front of a defense that wasn't the best in baseball history (arguably)

...I'm just saying. I like Herrera. I really do. I just don't understand why he hasn't developed a better secondary pitch. Maybe he can't? I don't know.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
I think it's time for Ned to have a talk with this team. Too many ****ing mental mistakes. Base running errors, your cleanup hitter bunting with 2 on and 0 out in a tie game.....just ****ing unacceptable baseball right now

Unacceptable!! 15 games above water. DH sweep.

[tk13]

Herrera's FIP is still miles ahead of Farnsworth. This is a ridiculous discussion. Fans are just spoiled because we've had two top 5 closers on the team. We're trying to pick apart very effective baseball players.

[Saul Good]

This bullpen is so good and so deep that we literally DFA'd a guy with a sub 3 ERA who is as good a clubhouse guy as you'll ever find. It's insane.

[DeezNutz]

This new brand of unacceptable baseball is so fucking awesome.

[petegz28]

Unacceptable!! 15 games above water. DH sweep.

Where was Oakland at this point last year?

[petegz28]

This bullpen is so good and so deep that we literally DFA'd a guy with a sub 3 ERA who is as good a clubhouse guy as you'll ever find. It's insane.

I didn't get that. I thought Frasor was pretty damn good. Not real sure what decided that Blanton stay and he goes?

[Coach]

I didn't get that. I thought Frasor was pretty damn good. Not real sure what decided that Blanton stay and he goes?

Royals need a long inning guy in case a game gets out of control.

Plus, Frasor's FIP is very high. He has been pretty lucky for the most part.

[Hootie]

Herrera's FIP is still miles ahead of Farnsworth. This is a ridiculous discussion. Fans are just spoiled because we've had two top 5 closers on the team. We're trying to pick apart very effective baseball players.

Relax. I think Herrera is excellent. I just KNOW he could be the best reliever in baseball if he'd develop a pitch that wasn't a 92 MPH changeup. Flip side is, I guess his injury risk is pretty minimal.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Where was Oakland at this point last year?

In the east bay.

[duncan_idaho]

I didn't get that. I thought Frasor was pretty damn good. Not real sure what decided that Blanton stay and he goes?

Joe Blanton can pitch multiple times through a lineup. Jason Frasor cannot.

[Pablo]

This one at least kind of makes sense. I mean, I can follow it and understand what it is saying.You just need a background in finance and general nutbaggery to get the gist of the first chart.

It just makes sense!

[RealSNR]

Have we lost a single extra innings game this year?

[WilliamTheIrish]

You just need a background in finance and general nutbaggery to get the gist of the first chart.

It just makes sense!

The bigger question: where was this chart at this time last year?

[Saul Good]

The bigger question: where was this chart at this time last year?

Still in beta...

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

actually, he was

and he was the same guy

threw 100, never developed an out pitch (other than that 100)

You're right. Kyle's career WAR is 6.1 and Kelvin's is 5.6.. except that Kelvin's accumulation is over 4 years, where kyle's was over 16... slight difference.

Kelvin's career ERA is 2.5... Farnie's was 4.26. I see the comparison.

[Hootie]

You're right. Kyle's career WAR is 6.1 and Kelvin's is 5.6.. except that Kelvin's accumulation is over 4 years, where kyle's was over 16... slight difference.

Kelvin's career ERA is 2.5... Farnie's was 4.26. I see the comparison.

Relax, guy. I'm talking about at their peaks. If Kelvin loses his 100 MPH, he's nothing. If he starts throwing 95, he's worthless.

[Pitt Gorilla]

24-57*

And that's stretching it with all of our surplus value currently in OmahaThis is full of win.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Relax, guy. I'm talking about at their peaks. If Kelvin loses his 100 MPH, he's nothing. If he starts throwing 95, he's worthless.

He's also only 25 years old, guy.

[Hootie]

I'm glad I'm not allowed to critique an excellent player. You're all pretending I think he sucks, which I don't. I just don't understand why his best secondary pitch is an average changeup

[Saul Good]

I'm glad I'm not allowed to critique an excellent player. You're all pretending I think he sucks, which I don't. I just don't understand why his best secondary pitch is an average changeup

It would be amazing if he could develop another pitch, but we're getting awfully far down the line of things to worry about when we get to the third pitch of our seventh inning guy who already has a dominating fastball and an average changeup. I'd love to see him develop a slider/splitter like Holland throws, but comparing him to a bum like Farnsworth is pretty silly.

[Hootie]

Meh. Farnsworth had some dominant years in a hitters era. When he had his 100, he was good.