Josh Allen is Philip Rivers 2.0

[Vegas_Dave]

So watching the Bills lose to the Vikings, it hit me watching Josh Allen on the bench pouting that he is a less mature version of Philip Rivers. This made me go on a stat finding mission to compare Allen to Rivers... and in in order to be fair to the media perception (& to prove what we all already know), compared Mahomes' stats as well.

We all KNOW that Mahomes is better than Allen (and if you don't, please look again). But the next time you have some Bills lover arguing, here are the facts...

Since both Mahomes & Allen have 4.5 years worth of stats to compare, I think its fair... and I grabbed the first 5 full years of Rivers' stats for the comparison. These are all averaged out based on the the actual number of games played (Excel spreadsheet available if anyone wants to double check). Here is what came to be:

# of Games Played for stat comparison:
Rivers: 80 games from 2006 - 2010
Allen: 70 games from 2018 - 2022
Mahomes: 71 from 2018-2022

Completion/Attempt/Comp%/Yards - per Game Average
Rivers: 19.34 / 30.31 / 63.79% / 243.91
Allen: 20.93 / 33.43 / 62.61% / 240.67
Mahomes: 24.97 / 37.69 / 66.26% / 304.83

TD/TD% per Att/Int/Int% per Att - per Game Average
Rivers: 1.69 TD / 5.57% / .71 INT / 2.35%
Allen: 1.76 TD / 5.26% / .81 INT / 2.39%
Mahomes: 2.48 TD / 6.58% / .61 INT / 1.61%

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 39.46% / 97.22 Rating / 65.84 QBR / 1.71 sacks / 10.65 sk yds
Allen: 36.54% / 89.84 Rating / 62.16 QBR / 1.94 sacks / 12.37 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.86% / 106.38 Rating / 75.38 QBR / 1.54 sacks / 9.89 sk yds

Josh Allen is a Good QB - but he is NOT Mahomes. He is Philip Rivers 2.0 - but a little less mature in my opinion. Rivers had 2 years of sitting. So Average Age for them is

Rivers: 27
Allen: 24
Mahomes: 25

So maybe we will see Allen mature a little more, but he is no Mahomes.

*all stats compiled from www.pro-football-reference.com

[Hammock Parties]

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

What's with that image? Why don't you just link your original post?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Lzen

What's with that image? Why don't you just link your original post?

[KCUnited]

Wouldn't totally shock me either if homeboy also rocks a minivan as his daily driver

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

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[Lzen]

Good stuff. Thanks, Dave.

And, of course anyone with a brain knows that Allen is not on Mahomes' level.

[tyecopeland]

Not that I disagree with the premise (although Allen is better than rivers, whether that be because of supporting cast and coaches or talent) but I would be curious and I think a better comparison would be if you removed Allen's first year. He's a much better player than he was his first year.

[Vegas_Dave]

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

Not that I disagree with the premise (although Allen is better than rivers, whether that be because of supporting cast and coaches or talent) but I would be curious and I think a better comparison would be if you removed Allen's first year. He's a much better player than he was his first year.

So if we remove the first year for each player, this actually hurts Mahomes some (5000+ yds, 50 TD season)... here are the numbers:

# of Games Played for stat comparison:
Rivers: 64 games from 2007 - 2010
Allen: 58 games from 2019 - 2022
Mahomes: 55 from 2019 - 2022

Completion/Attempt/Comp%/Yards - per Game Average
Rivers: 19.73 / 30.70 / 64.27% / 251.95
Allen: 22.34 / 34.83 / 64.16% / 254.71
Mahomes: 25.27 / 38.11 / 66.32% / 300.84

TD/TD% per Att/Int/Int% per Att - per Game Average
Rivers: 1.77 TD / 5.75% per Att / .75 INT / 2.44% per Att
Allen: 1.95 TD / 5.59% per Att / .76 INT / 2.18% per Att
Mahomes: 2.29 TD / 6.01% per Att / .56 INT / 1.48% per Att

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 40.20% / 98.53 Rating / 65.45 QBR / 1.72 sacks / 11.06 sk yds
Allen: 37.92% / 95.33 Rating / 65.25 QBR / 1.86 sacks / 11.26 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.22% / 104.53 Rating / 74.15 QBR / 1.51 sacks / 9.65 sk yds

Even after removing Allen's WORST season and arguably Mahomes' best season, it still proves the premise that Allen = Rivers (version 2.0)

[tyecopeland]

Originally Posted by Vegas_Dave

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 40.20% / 78.82 Rating / 52.36 QBR / 1.72 sacks / 11.06 sk yds
Allen: 37.92% / 76.26 Rating / 52.20 QBR / 1.86 sacks / 11.26 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.22% / 83.62 Rating / 59.32 QBR / 1.51 sacks / 9.65 sk yds

I'm confused as to why the qb ratings and qbr is so much lower for all of them with their first season removed.

[Vegas_Dave]

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

I'm confused as to why the qb ratings and qbr is so much lower for all of them with their first season removed.

You were correct - I had the math on that still dividing by 5 years instead of the updated 4. I edited original post on the 4 year. Numbers are corrected as follows:

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 40.20% / 98.53 Rating / 65.45 QBR / 1.72 sacks / 11.06 sk yds
Allen: 37.92% / 95.33 Rating / 65.25 QBR / 1.86 sacks / 11.26 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.22% / 104.53 Rating / 74.15 QBR / 1.51 sacks / 9.65 sk yds

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

Not that I disagree with the premise (although Allen is better than rivers, whether that be because of supporting cast and coaches or talent) but I would be curious and I think a better comparison would be if you removed Allen's first year. He's a much better player than he was his first year.

His first 2 years definitely drag down any comparison or average.
Here are the stats over the last 3 seasons:

The past 3 seasons (start of 2020)…

Josh Allen: 66%, 111 TD’s, 33 INT, 18 lost fumbles
Pat Mahomes: 66%, 101 TD’s, 25 INT, 11 lost fumbles

Allen is +60 in Net TD’s (touchdown minus turnovers). Mahomes is +65 in Net TD’s.

The numbers are as close to equal as you can get.

— Bills Stats & More (@Tickets_Buffalo) November 13, 2022

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Just:13

His first 2 years definitely drag down any comparison or average.
Here are the stats over the last 3 seasons:

The past 3 seasons (start of 2020)…

Josh Allen: 66%, 111 TD’s, 33 INT, 18 lost fumbles
Pat Mahomes: 66%, 101 TD’s, 25 INT, 11 lost fumbles

Allen is +60 in Net TD’s (touchdown minus turnovers). Mahomes is +65 in Net TD’s.

The numbers are as close to equal as you can get.

— Bills Stats & More (@Tickets_Buffalo) November 13, 2022

Dumb.

Allen gets used as a fullback on the goaline.

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Dumb.

Allen gets used as a fullback on the goaline.

Here are the stats if you take away rushing TD’s for both QB’s:

Josh Allen: 66%, 93 TD’s, 33 INT
Pat Mahomes: 66%, 96 TD’s, 25 INT

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Just:13

Here are the stats if you take away rushing TD’s for both QB’s:

Josh Allen: 66%, 93 TD’s, 33 INT
Pat Mahomes: 66%, 96 TD’s, 25 INT

And you're cherry picking years too.