Josh Allen is Philip Rivers 2.0

[Vegas_Dave]

So watching the Bills lose to the Vikings, it hit me watching Josh Allen on the bench pouting that he is a less mature version of Philip Rivers. This made me go on a stat finding mission to compare Allen to Rivers... and in in order to be fair to the media perception (& to prove what we all already know), compared Mahomes' stats as well.

We all KNOW that Mahomes is better than Allen (and if you don't, please look again). But the next time you have some Bills lover arguing, here are the facts...

Since both Mahomes & Allen have 4.5 years worth of stats to compare, I think its fair... and I grabbed the first 5 full years of Rivers' stats for the comparison. These are all averaged out based on the the actual number of games played (Excel spreadsheet available if anyone wants to double check). Here is what came to be:

# of Games Played for stat comparison:
Rivers: 80 games from 2006 - 2010
Allen: 70 games from 2018 - 2022
Mahomes: 71 from 2018-2022

Completion/Attempt/Comp%/Yards - per Game Average
Rivers: 19.34 / 30.31 / 63.79% / 243.91
Allen: 20.93 / 33.43 / 62.61% / 240.67
Mahomes: 24.97 / 37.69 / 66.26% / 304.83

TD/TD% per Att/Int/Int% per Att - per Game Average
Rivers: 1.69 TD / 5.57% / .71 INT / 2.35%
Allen: 1.76 TD / 5.26% / .81 INT / 2.39%
Mahomes: 2.48 TD / 6.58% / .61 INT / 1.61%

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 39.46% / 97.22 Rating / 65.84 QBR / 1.71 sacks / 10.65 sk yds
Allen: 36.54% / 89.84 Rating / 62.16 QBR / 1.94 sacks / 12.37 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.86% / 106.38 Rating / 75.38 QBR / 1.54 sacks / 9.89 sk yds

Josh Allen is a Good QB - but he is NOT Mahomes. He is Philip Rivers 2.0 - but a little less mature in my opinion. Rivers had 2 years of sitting. So Average Age for them is

Rivers: 27
Allen: 24
Mahomes: 25

So maybe we will see Allen mature a little more, but he is no Mahomes.

*all stats compiled from www.pro-football-reference.com

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Have you ever taken the test? It’s not like 2+2=4. It’s not something you just prepare for and get some super high score.

Yes.

I suspect that agents get copies now.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Just:13

His first 2 years definitely drag down any comparison or average.
Here are the stats over the last 3 seasons:

The past 3 seasons (start of 2020)…

Josh Allen: 66%, 111 TD’s, 33 INT, 18 lost fumbles
Pat Mahomes: 66%, 101 TD’s, 25 INT, 11 lost fumbles

Allen is +60 in Net TD’s (touchdown minus turnovers). Mahomes is +65 in Net TD’s.

The numbers are as close to equal as you can get.

— Bills Stats & More (@Tickets_Buffalo) November 13, 2022

Dumb.

Allen gets used as a fullback on the goaline.

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Dumb.

Allen gets used as a fullback on the goaline.

Here are the stats if you take away rushing TD’s for both QB’s:

Josh Allen: 66%, 93 TD’s, 33 INT
Pat Mahomes: 66%, 96 TD’s, 25 INT

[RunKC]

Josh Allen reminds me so much of Randall Cunningham.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Just:13

Here are the stats if you take away rushing TD’s for both QB’s:

Josh Allen: 66%, 93 TD’s, 33 INT
Pat Mahomes: 66%, 96 TD’s, 25 INT

And you're cherry picking years too.

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

And you're cherry picking years too.

Yes I mentioned in the post you originally quoted that Allen’s first 2 years drag down any comparison. Then I showed what it looked like in the past 3 seasons. I was very transparent.

The person I originally quoted made the same point (that Allen’s early years will not be an accurate reflection of his play today).

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Just:13

Yes I mentioned in the post you originally quoted that Allen’s first 2 years drag down any comparison. Then I showed what it looked like in the past 3 seasons. I was very transparent.

The person I originally quoted made the same point (that Allen’s early years will not be an accurate reflection of his play today).

[tyecopeland]

Originally Posted by Vegas_Dave

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 40.20% / 78.82 Rating / 52.36 QBR / 1.72 sacks / 11.06 sk yds
Allen: 37.92% / 76.26 Rating / 52.20 QBR / 1.86 sacks / 11.26 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.22% / 83.62 Rating / 59.32 QBR / 1.51 sacks / 9.65 sk yds

I'm confused as to why the qb ratings and qbr is so much lower for all of them with their first season removed.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Just:13

Here are the stats if you take away rushing TD’s for both QB’s:

Josh Allen: 66%, 93 TD’s, 33 INT
Pat Mahomes: 66%, 96 TD’s, 25 INT

Patrick Mahomes has played in only 2 more regular season games in his career than Josh Allen has YET has 5,080 more passing yards, 53 more passing TDs, 12 fewer INTs and 307 more 1st downs.

All of that in only 2 more games.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Yes.

I suspect that agents get copies now.

Why?

And so some agents get it and others don’t?

Please share your evidence here.

(I realize you have no evidence and are talking out of your ass but I’ll play along.)

And please provide a screenshot of your completed Wonderlic test and score for fun.

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Please share your evidence here.

(I realize you have no evidence and are talking out of your ass but I’ll play along.

He has a tendency to do that

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Just:13

He has a tendency to do that

Shut up da quix.

[O.city]

He can’t keep running like he does he won’t last in the league

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Patrick Mahomes has played in only 2 more regular season games in his career than Josh Allen has YET has 5,080 more passing yards, 53 more passing TDs, 12 fewer INTs and 307 more 1st downs.

All of that in only 2 more games.

How about this one. Josh Allen has been eliminated 2 years in a row by Mahomes in the NFL playoffs.

[Bearcat]

I started a post earlier and then got distracted, along the lines of "can you please run these stats again, but cherry pick the Allen stats to only include the past couple seasons while also highlighting rushing stats, then post to Twitter so we can embed".

And hey, it happened.