Josh Allen is Philip Rivers 2.0

[Vegas_Dave]

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

Not that I disagree with the premise (although Allen is better than rivers, whether that be because of supporting cast and coaches or talent) but I would be curious and I think a better comparison would be if you removed Allen's first year. He's a much better player than he was his first year.

So if we remove the first year for each player, this actually hurts Mahomes some (5000+ yds, 50 TD season)... here are the numbers:

# of Games Played for stat comparison:
Rivers: 64 games from 2007 - 2010
Allen: 58 games from 2019 - 2022
Mahomes: 55 from 2019 - 2022

Completion/Attempt/Comp%/Yards - per Game Average
Rivers: 19.73 / 30.70 / 64.27% / 251.95
Allen: 22.34 / 34.83 / 64.16% / 254.71
Mahomes: 25.27 / 38.11 / 66.32% / 300.84

TD/TD% per Att/Int/Int% per Att - per Game Average
Rivers: 1.77 TD / 5.75% per Att / .75 INT / 2.44% per Att
Allen: 1.95 TD / 5.59% per Att / .76 INT / 2.18% per Att
Mahomes: 2.29 TD / 6.01% per Att / .56 INT / 1.48% per Att

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 40.20% / 98.53 Rating / 65.45 QBR / 1.72 sacks / 11.06 sk yds
Allen: 37.92% / 95.33 Rating / 65.25 QBR / 1.86 sacks / 11.26 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.22% / 104.53 Rating / 74.15 QBR / 1.51 sacks / 9.65 sk yds

Even after removing Allen's WORST season and arguably Mahomes' best season, it still proves the premise that Allen = Rivers (version 2.0)

[tyecopeland]

Originally Posted by Vegas_Dave

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 40.20% / 78.82 Rating / 52.36 QBR / 1.72 sacks / 11.06 sk yds
Allen: 37.92% / 76.26 Rating / 52.20 QBR / 1.86 sacks / 11.26 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.22% / 83.62 Rating / 59.32 QBR / 1.51 sacks / 9.65 sk yds

I'm confused as to why the qb ratings and qbr is so much lower for all of them with their first season removed.

[Vegas_Dave]

Originally Posted by tyecopeland

I'm confused as to why the qb ratings and qbr is so much lower for all of them with their first season removed.

You were correct - I had the math on that still dividing by 5 years instead of the updated 4. I edited original post on the 4 year. Numbers are corrected as follows:

First Down %/Avg Rating/Avg QBR/Sacks/Sack Yds - per Game Average
Rivers: 40.20% / 98.53 Rating / 65.45 QBR / 1.72 sacks / 11.06 sk yds
Allen: 37.92% / 95.33 Rating / 65.25 QBR / 1.86 sacks / 11.26 sk yds
Mahomes: 42.22% / 104.53 Rating / 74.15 QBR / 1.51 sacks / 9.65 sk yds